Kosher Switch

[ChaimMoskowitz]

That's a good example of when this would be useful, but it's definitely not something that I'm like OH NO, I WISH I HAD A KOSHER SWITCH.

You obviously never left your kid's bedroom light on by accident...

This is where my services come in. At night I will do a walk through. You don't need to say anything. I know what to do. 

[@Yehuda]

My point is not that there are no scenarios when it would be nice to turn on a light, my point is that we've been just fine living without being able to turn on the lights (and often we have great memories from those Shabbosim in the dark). So what's the big deal? Nu, the lights are off. Ok.

This is where my services come in. At night I will do a walk through. You don't need to say anything. I know what to do. 

Are you a designated Shabbos Goy for anyone? (Do you live near Jews?)

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Are you a designated Shabbos Goy for anyone? (Do you live near Jews?)

No but I am thinking as a side business.

[Achas Veachas]

This is where my services come in. At night I will do a walk through. You don't need to say anything. I know what to do. 

Reminds me of a story related by R' Refoel (Folye) Kahan (father of R' Yoel Kahan) who spent quite a few years on "vacation" in the far north of Soviet Russia.

At one point he was assigned to stay in the house of one of the natives. Being in a place where electricity was unheard of, every evening his host would light 2 oil lamps, one for himself and one for his guest.

On Friday night after the host lit the 2 lamps R' Folye asked him if they could switch, explaining that due to Shabbos he couldn't use the lamp the host lit for him, however the lamp that the host lit for himself he had no problem using. The host got a little confused by the Halachic talk but he agreed to the switch.

The next week the host lit the 2 lamps, and promptly proceeded to switch them, imagine his confusion when this time R' Folye told him that this week he'd rather keep his lamp...

[AnonymousUser]

This is where my services come in. At night I will do a walk through. You don't need to say anything. I know what to do. 

You obviously never heard Country Yossi's shabbos goy routine.

[avromie7]

You obviously never heard Country Yossi's shabbos goy routine.

+1 cm you should definitely hear it

[gozalim]

You obviously never heard Country Yossi's shabbos goy routine.

link?

[gozalim]

on a side note:
R' Manis Friedman is a Posek? he might know enough to be, but he clearly isn't practicing as one, and reading his message, he clearly wasn't intending to be.
(at the same time, with all due respect to רשד"ב לוין he isn't a Rov either, though clearly more 'halachist' than Manis. and I don't think he's Israeli...)

for someone to be so clueless to the nuances of the Charedi world as to 'honestly misunderstand' these encouragements as 'endorsement' (or for that matter to consider that video appropriate), it would be shocking for that same person to also have the extensive understanding to the nuances of Halacha to successfully engineer a truly 'kosher' switch (assuming it could exist).

and if the mistake was not innocent, is that who I want to entrust my Shabbos-observance to?

[thaber]

Can one add or remove pins from a timer on shabbos ?  Would that be nore like the kosher switch ?

See Shemiras Shabbos,writes if you move the pins to delay the melacha its mutar. depends on what kindof pins though. ע"ש

[smurf]

Reminds me of a story related by R' Refoel (Folye) Kahan (father of R' Yoel Kahan) who spent quite a few years on "vacation" in the far north of Soviet Russia.

At one point he was assigned to stay in the house of one of the natives. Being in a place where electricity was unheard of, every evening his host would light 2 oil lamps, one for himself and one for his guest.

On Friday night after the host lit the 2 lamps R' Folye asked him if they could switch, explaining that due to Shabbos he couldn't use the lamp the host lit for him, however the lamp that the host lit for himself he had no problem using. The host got a little confused by the Halachic talk but he agreed to the switch.

The next week the host lit the 2 lamps, and promptly proceeded to switch them, imagine his confusion when this time R' Folye told him that this week he'd rather keep his lamp...

like

[dovy2]

Rabbi broun, rav in crown heights, (in his daily halcha video) spoke against the switch

[Achas Veachas]

(at the same time, with all due respect to רשד"ב לוין he isn't a Rov either, though clearly more 'halachist' than Manis. and I don't think he's Israeli...)

While eh may not be an acting Posek, I would deffer to him in matters of Shulchan Aruch Harav over 90% of acting Rabbanim...

[Achas Veachas]

A Shiur by our very own resident Dayan:
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=51426.0

[SBS]

Oops, I didn't realize there was a dedicated post for the topic...

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Oops, I didn't realize there was a dedicated post for the topic...

Then you probably missed this commentary. 

HAVE YOU ALL LOST YOUR MIND? Kosher switch? This is nothing but a scam, sham, trick, loophole or a hundred other things. One thing it is not is "kosher". This is not some CC T&C's you are trying to justify. Who do you think you are fooling here? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your creator? Good luck with that one.

[yitrap]

Then you probably missed this commentary. 

Quite proud of that masterpiece aren't you

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Quite proud of that masterpiece aren't you

Considering I actually nailed one for a change, yes. 

[yitrap]

Considering I actually nailed one for a change, yes. 

+1 it was definitely worth waiting for it to make it to JS to get that pent up frustration

[Achas Veachas]

on a side note:
R' Manis Friedman is a Posek? he might know enough to be, but he clearly isn't practicing as one, and reading his message, he clearly wasn't intending to be.
(at the same time, with all due respect to רשד"ב לוין he isn't a Rov either, though clearly more 'halachist' than Manis. and I don't think he's Israeli...)

Here are some Rabbonim Morey Hora'ah B'poel:
http://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=35196&alias=2-rabbis-prohibit-kosher-switch

[Baruch]

Here are some Rabbonim Morey Hora'ah B'poel:
http://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=35196&alias=2-rabbis-prohibit-kosher-switch

They link SBS' shiur!
(In middle of listening to it now, it's fascinating)