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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #165 on: April 16, 2015, 12:28:12 AM »
Ok, CM, the thread's been moved. Hop aboard!
HAVE YOU ALL LOST YOUR MIND? Kosher switch? This is nothing but a scam, sham, trick, loophole or a hundred other things. One thing it is not is "kosher". This is not some CC T&C's you are trying to justify. Who do you think you are fooling here? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your creator? Good luck with that one. 
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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #166 on: April 16, 2015, 12:31:11 AM »
HAVE YOU ALL LOST YOUR MIND? Kosher switch? This is nothing but a scam, sham, trick, loophole or a hundred other things. One thing it is not is "kosher". This is not some CC T&C's you are trying to justify. Who do you think you are fooling here? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your creator? Good luck with that one. 
When you find where the Creator forbids turning on lights on Shabbos, or references the closing of a circuit in any way, please let me know.
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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #167 on: April 16, 2015, 12:33:51 AM »
HAVE YOU ALL LOST YOUR MIND? Kosher switch? This is nothing but a scam, sham, trick, loophole or a hundred other things. One thing it is not is "kosher". This is not some CC T&C's you are trying to justify. Who do you think you are fooling here? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your creator? Good luck with that one.

That must have felt good. You were holding it in for a while...

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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #168 on: April 16, 2015, 12:38:14 AM »
When you find where the Creator forbids turning on lights on Shabbos, or references the closing of a circuit in any way, please let me know.
If that is the case then no need for something that is not forbidden. Why play these silly games?
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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #169 on: April 16, 2015, 12:41:22 AM »
That must have felt good. You were holding it in for a while...
Not sure what felt better. This or the Hawks win in double overtime.  :)
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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #170 on: April 16, 2015, 12:42:22 AM »
If that is the case then no need for something that is not forbidden. Why play these silly games?
What are you now a Tzadduki?  :-\ :o :P
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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #171 on: April 16, 2015, 12:44:21 AM »
What are you now a Tzadduki?  :-\ :o :P
Just an average joe that uses the common sense I was given.
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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #172 on: April 16, 2015, 12:48:33 AM »
Just an average joe that uses the common sense I was given.
Ill bet that's what all the tzaddukim say ;)
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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #173 on: April 16, 2015, 12:51:38 AM »
Ill bet that's what all the tzaddukim say ;)
They would say they have been doing this their whole life and know what they are talking about. I have been doing this for about 15 minutes.  :)
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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #174 on: April 16, 2015, 12:58:11 AM »
They would say they have been doing this their whole life and know what they are talking about. I have been doing this for about 15 minutes.  :)
I think you may be confusing "Tzadduki" for "Tzaddik". Very different things.
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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #175 on: April 16, 2015, 01:00:47 AM »
I think you may be confusing "Tzadduki" for "Tzaddik". Very different things.
That's all google comes up with.  :-[
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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #176 on: April 16, 2015, 01:02:26 AM »
That's all google comes up with.  :-[

They're referring to these guys:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadducees

Although I'm not sure what they have to do with common sense.

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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #177 on: April 16, 2015, 01:21:28 AM »
They're referring to these guys:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadducees

Although I'm not sure what they have to do with common sense.
Correct.

I'll simplify it for CM:
[from Wikipedia page under 'beliefs']
"The Sadducees rejected the Oral Law as proposed by the Pharisees. Rather, they saw the Torah as the sole source of divine authority."

They only believed that which was explicitly written in the Torah. None of this "tradition from Moses" or "I hold like this Rabbi" business.
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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #178 on: April 16, 2015, 01:47:38 AM »
Cm, i don't necessarily agree with the kosher switch.  I think it's a slippery slope,  it has strong elements of maris ayin. And if u use it all week in reg mode,  it will be hard to remember on shabbos to wait for the green light,  especially if kids are involved.  And many other reasons.
But the reason its not a scam is very simple.  What's not allowed is to create a fire. in today's day,  to create a current. So if you're not creating that current then you're not doing something wrong.  People disagree on what is considered not causing that action. And that's a large part of the discussion.
For those that feel it's indirect enough not to be the person causing the light to go on,  then for them its kosher.
And there is plenty  other scams  to rant about. Selling chometz, selling a field for shemitta, indirectly asking a non jew....

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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #179 on: April 16, 2015, 02:03:36 AM »
HAVE YOU ALL LOST YOUR MIND? Kosher switch? This is nothing but a scam, sham, trick, loophole or a hundred other things. One thing it is not is "kosher". This is not some CC T&C's you are trying to justify. Who do you think you are fooling here? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your creator? Good luck with that one.


Hehehe hello, I've been waiting to see what you'd say :)
Now to play a little devils advocate...
As far as Halocha goes it really seems he's gotten proper haskamos from serious people, especially his top 3-4 people, I personally don't think I would use such a thing in my house just because it would feel weird (putting aside the whole ameria le'akum issue) but I don't know that I would tell my children not to (again putting aside the issue of weakening the stringencies regarding light switches on shabbos)

We all use timers in todays day and age, heck we all use electricity and don't think twice about it, lets not fool ourselves in ten years people will be halachicly driving cars talking on the phone and smoking (Albeit, I hope E-cig) on Shabbos... This is the Yeridas Ha'doros we have created and this is the generation we must deal with.

Look, there are a lot of "loopholes" people use now days, one day Yom Tov in EY, non kosher gum, "sefira" music, kashrus levels, tznius levels...the world around us has gone crazy and there are a few that can still pull it back together, I don't know if kosher switch is right or wrong but I definitely don't think its the first thing to attack.