The wells report

[Cowboysuk]

Why do you say that?  Would you prefer the person who probably doesn't own the money have it?

Yes because at least we didnt do anything that has a 49% chance of being wrong. We just left it as it was.

[henche]

Yes because at least we didnt do anything that has a 49% chance of being wrong. We just left it as it was.

Why do you assume that is the halacha? I read the line of hamotzi m'chaveiro as referring to who must produce evidence to begin with.  But I don't read it as telling me what level of evidence is required.

So, what probability do you think is required in halacha?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Is this a record? Seven pages before a mention of religion? 

[Cowboysuk]

Is this a record? Seven pages before a mention of religion? 

The torah is the oldest legal system and most of the legal concepts we have today have a torah basis. So this has nothing to do with religion.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

The torah is the oldest legal system and most of the legal concepts we have today have a torah basis. So this has nothing to do with religion.

So it is based on the Torah and has nothing to do with religion? OK I learned something new.

[Cowboysuk]

How about having Jewish only sub forums. This way I won't check those threads. It is very annoying to start following a thread only to have it then change into a language you don't understand.

just found this. Who wouldve believed just a few short years and a few screen names later...

[elit]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/19/kraft-i-disagree-with-goodell-but-i-accept-it-and-we-wont-appeal/
Have to admit very classy.

[Yehuda25]

http://nesn.com/2015/06/aeis-stan-veuger-roger-goodell-cant-uphold-tom-bradys-suspension/

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/felger-have-recent-reports-helped-brady-s-case

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/NFL-credibility-on-New-England-Patriots-and-Tom-Brady-keeps-deflating

[Yehuda25]

https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/On-the-Wells-report.pdf

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Report: Tom Brady gave an ‘A+ performance’ in appeal hearing

Does the NFL really want this settled in federal court or do they wipe clean the suspension?

[Yehuda57]

Report: Tom Brady gave an ‘A+ performance’ in appeal hearing

Does the NFL really want this settled in federal court or do they wipe clean the suspension?

http://deadspin.com/totally-agenda-less-sources-tom-brady-is-a-really-grea-1713650508

[elit]

Where are all the Brady apologists?

[henche]

Where are all the Brady apologists?

Why? Is there new evidence? No, there's new nothing.

I'm still apologisting for him.

[elit]

Why? Is there new evidence? No, there's new nothing.

I'm still apologisting for him.

Destroyed phone

[GTR]

Brady is such a slimy cheat.  It's laughable. 

There is new evidence.  He intentionally destroyed his phone to avoid discovery of data. 

It's time for him to tuck his tail between his legs and play football.

[Yehuda57]

Brady is such a slimy cheat.  It's laughable. 

There is new evidence.  He intentionally destroyed his phone to avoid discovery of data. 

It's time for him to tuck his tail between his legs and play football.

I hate the guy as much as anyone, but destroying a private phone which he has no obligation to hand over to his employer is hardly enough to suspend an employee. The NFL is trying to flex its muscles and show who is boss, but they are still very very much in the wrong.

Is there any doubt that he cheated? No. Is there any evidence? No.

[Yehuda25]

I hate the guy as much as anyone, but destroying a private phone which he has no obligation to hand over to his employer is hardly enough to suspend an employee. The NFL is trying to flex its muscles and show who is boss, but they are still very very much in the wrong.

Is there any doubt that he cheated? No. Is there any evidence? No.

+1

[GTR]

There is evidence in the wells report, including the other side of the text messages to employees.  The phone destruction isn't evidence of the act of cheating, it's evidence of the offense of lack of cooperation in an investigation, which is in the CBA.  He's contractually obligated as a condition of his employment to cooperate with investigations of wrongdoing by his employer.

[henche]

Destroyed phone

Of course he destroyed his phone.  You think he should have to turn over his phone? That's a serious privacy violation. You want to turn over your phone to your employer so they can read all your texts etc and find out what you're posting on ddf?

[henche]

There is evidence in the wells report, including the other side of the text messages to employees.  The phone destruction isn't evidence of the act of cheating, it's evidence of the offense of lack of cooperation in an investigation, which is in the CBA.  He's contractually obligated as a condition of his employment to cooperate with investigations of wrongdoing by his employer.

You think that includes giving over his phone? I'm sure you've signed plenty of agreements in your life that included "cooperation," and I'm sure you never wondered whether that included giving over your phone, or allowing them to search your house, or allowing them to interrogate your kids, etc.  The idea that "cooperation" includes everything you want from the guy is nuts.