Author Topic: Lakewood Shabbos rally (Read 152106 times)

rileywiles23 · « **on:** May 17, 2015, 06:14:12 PM »

Does anybody else feel that what happened in Lakewood on Shabbos - all the singing etc. was the wrong way to go about dealing with such a situation... Here is a small clip of said event...

avromie7 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:19:01 PM »

Absolutely the wrong way to deal with it.

For starters;
I know a bunch of kids who hang out there one of them told me last night that some of those who were smoking there usually keep shabbos

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #2 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:20:49 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on May 17, 2015, 06:19:01 PM

I know a bunch of kids who hang out there one of them told me last night that some of those who were smoking there usually keep shabbos

And therefore?

avromie7 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:25:37 PM »

Quote from: PlatinumGuy on May 17, 2015, 06:20:49 PM

And therefore?

Its causing more chillul shabbos

Secondly why are you dealing with the effect and not the root of the problem by helping them instead of further alienating them from everyone else?

rileywiles23 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:32:23 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on May 17, 2015, 06:25:37 PM

Its causing more chillul shabbos

Secondly why are you dealing with the effect and not the root of the problem by helping them instead of further alienating them from everyone else?

That is my exact feeling as well. All this is does, is antagonize them and cause then to spite yiddishkeit even more

coralsnake · « **Reply #5 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:33:39 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on May 17, 2015, 06:19:01 PM

Absolutely the wrong way to deal with it.

For starters;
I know a bunch of kids who hang out there one of them told me last night that some of those who were smoking there usually keep shabbos

I have no idea what ls going on here.

But IIUC, there are some kids in Lakewood that hang out in a park and smoke on shabbos. So someone thought it was a good idea to "help" them by bringing the people and singing that they're trying to escape from to that park?

And what does it mean that they usually keep Shabbos? They keep Shabbos except when a mob of singing Jews come by?

sky121 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:35:50 PM »

What was this rally all about?

avromie7 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:36:16 PM »

Quote from: coralsnake on May 17, 2015, 06:33:39 PM

I have no idea what ls going on here.

But IIUC, there are some kids in Lakewood that hang out in a park and smoke on shabbos. So someone thought it was a good idea to "help" them by bringing the people and singing that they're trying to escape from to that park?

And what does it mean that they usually keep Shabbos? They keep Shabbos except when a mob of singing Jews come by?

That's basically what's happening

This is causing them to be mechalel shabbos lehachis I don't know on what level they were keeping shabbos before but they weren't smoking in public

sky121 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:39:18 PM »

Quote from: coralsnake on May 17, 2015, 06:33:39 PM

I have no idea what ls going on here.

But IIUC, there are some kids in Lakewood that hang out in a park and smoke on shabbos. So someone thought it was a good idea to "help" them by bringing the people and singing that they're trying to escape from to that park?

If that's really what happened that's kinda silly. Didn't they speak to anyone with any sort of experience beforehand? Why did all those people think that would be helpful? Oy.

rileywiles23 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:39:20 PM »

Quote from: coralsnake on May 17, 2015, 06:33:39 PM

I have no idea what ls going on here.

But IIUC, there are some kids in Lakewood that hang out in a park and smoke on shabbos. So someone thought it was a good idea to "help" them by bringing the people and singing that they're trying to escape from to that park?

And what does it mean that they usually keep Shabbos? They keep Shabbos except when a mob of singing Jews come by?

The basic story is, the last few shabbosim, a bunch of Jewish teens were hanging out at the lkwd lake, and publicly desecrating Shabbos (. I don't know if this was done to spite the frum community, or they were just chilling at the lake, having a good time.) so some genius thought it was a good idea to gather a bunch of people, and walk by them singing songs etc. - I guess to send some type of message, although I can't fathom what message they were trying to convey.

tjak · « **Reply #10 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:40:31 PM »

Quote from: coralsnake on May 17, 2015, 06:33:39 PM

I have no idea what ls going on here.

But IIUC, there are some kids in Lakewood that hang out in a park and smoke on shabbos. So someone thought it was a good idea to "help" them by bringing the people and singing that they're trying to escape from to that park?

And what does it mean that they usually keep Shabbos? They keep Shabbos except when a mob of singing Jews come by?

I don't think this is about helping them. It's about trying stop them from coming to the lake which is a very public area and smoking on shabbos.

avromie7 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:41:27 PM »

Quote from: rileywiles23 on May 17, 2015, 06:39:20 PM

The basic story is, the last few shabbosim, a bunch of Jewish teens were hanging out at the lkwd lake, and publicly desecrating Shabbos (. I don't know if this was done to spite the frum community, or they were just chilling at the lake, having a good time.) so some genius thought it was a good idea to gather a bunch of people, and walk by them singing songs etc. - I guess to send some type of message, although I can't fathom what message they were trying to convey.

This has been going on for years

If anything out of respect they don't hang out in the middle of the developments they live in being mechalel shabos

sky121 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:41:58 PM »

Quote from: tjak on May 17, 2015, 06:40:31 PM

I don't think this is about helping them. It's about trying stop them from coming to the lake which is a very public area and smoking on shabbos.

Even that is likely to just backfire. Unless they're willing to go every week ...and even then.

avromie7 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:42:34 PM »

Quote from: tjak on May 17, 2015, 06:40:31 PM

I don't think this is about helping them. It's about trying stop them from coming to the lake which is a very public area and smoking on shabbos.

Although its public its not "very public"

tjak · « **Reply #14 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:43:02 PM »

Quote from: sky121 on May 17, 2015, 06:41:58 PM

Even that is likely to just backfire. Unless they're willing to go every week ...and even then.

I think that's the plan, they did it las week also.

tjak · « **Reply #15 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:43:44 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on May 17, 2015, 06:42:34 PM

Although its public its not "very public"

Public enough that you can see it from the street.

sky121 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:44:16 PM »

Quote from: tjak on May 17, 2015, 06:43:02 PM

I think that's the plan, they did it las week also.

rileywiles23 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:44:19 PM »

Quote from: tjak on May 17, 2015, 06:40:31 PM

I don't think this is about helping them. It's about trying stop them from coming to the lake which is a very public area and smoking on shabbos.

How exactly is this going to stop them !? It just antagonized them.

avromie7 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:44:26 PM »

Quote from: tjak on May 17, 2015, 06:43:44 PM

Public enough that you can see it from the street.

Not as public as the middle of the developments they live in

tjak · « **Reply #19 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:45:51 PM »

Quote from: rileywiles23 on May 17, 2015, 06:44:19 PM

How exactly is this going to stop them !? It just antagonized them.

It will be a turf war for a couple weeks till they get bored of it and find a new place to chill. Hopefully more private.

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