Lakewood Shabbos rally

[doodle]

I feel terrible for their situation especially for the parents siblings etc.
I personally would not attend , (dead sea aint around the corner)
but HOW can you curse out the protesters, and at the same time be silent as these youth slap GD in the face??
you have NO better solution . these ppl think this may help .
SHUT YOUR MOUTH

[avromie7]

if someones son was CHILD MOLESTER or a WIFE ABUSER .....
would they be shocked if ppl protested

you dont care enough about shabbos  ! (level6)

Do you think it's a coincidence that everyone with such arguments is naive and oblivious to the situation? I repeat as time moves on i discuss this with more people and my statistics hold solid, not one person with a little bit of an understanding of the situation took up your position that proves to me that there is a serious flaw in your understanding of the situation which will only be understood when your kids are hanging out at the lake on shabbos afternoon ( and don't be so naive to say "not my kids")

[doodle]

Aren't you the same dude from shaving thread? I love it! 

you chabad dudes brains   revolve around shaving ..
($100 says these kids shave  )

[avromie7]

I feel terrible for their situation especially for the parents siblings etc.
I personally would not attend , (dead sea aint around the corner)
but HOW can you curse out the protesters, and at the same time be silent as these youth slap GD in the face??
you have NO better solution . these ppl think this may help .
SHUT YOUR MOUTH

Before you go out to protest you need to ask what is my goal and will it be accomplished in this manner and the obvious answer to anyone who understands the situation is no

[avromie7]

Aren't you the same dude from shaving thread? I love it! 

and the yankee stadium minyan thread

[doodle]

serious question for freddie and dan ; If you dont want to answer publicly send pm
what is the otd statistics in the chabad crown hights community ?
and how is the issue being dealt with ?

[avromie7]

serious question for freddie and dan ; If you dont want to answer publicly send pm
what is the otd statistics in the chabad crown hights community ?
and how is the issue being dealt with ?

why do you care you hate chabad anyway

[doodle]

why do you care you hate chabad anyway

i do NOT hate chabad! that is hurtfull speech . i love all frum yidden !
especially freddie who tenaciously defends the truth as he sees it .
just because he is wrong on some matters means I hate him?

[coralsnake]

i love all frum yidden !

Therein lies the problem....

[avromie7]

I feel terrible for their situation especially for the parents siblings etc.
I personally would not attend , (dead sea aint around the corner)
but HOW can you curse out the protesters, and at the same time be silent as these youth slap GD in the face??
you have NO better solution . these ppl think this may help .
SHUT YOUR MOUTH

Let's test your knowledge of the situation, at what age do you think these kids start being machalel shabbos? 8? 10? 12? 14? 16? 18? 20?

[yakrot]

Let's test your knowledge of the situation, at what age do you think these kids start being machalel shabbos? 8? 10? 12? 14? 16? 18? 20?

My guess is 12

[thaber]

A couple quick thoughts, against my better judgment:
1) Ask your LOR if you're allowed to watch those video's. Presumably there was chilul shabbos involved in filming it.
2) I'm pretty certain that in the times of Chazal not a single one of these young adults would have been punished, for a variety of reasons. There was one misas BD every seventy years at most, and when people were choteh more they disbanded the Beis Din. Think about that, and the lesson we should learn.
3) Anyone with any sechel understands that the reason why anyone is mechallel shabbos is because they lack an appreciation for shabbos. They lack a deep and meaningful relationship with HKBH. Now, there could be many reasons for that, and every individual is different. And there could be many reasons why they choose to be mechalel shabbos in public. but that doesn't change the underlying reason.
4) If you're worried about your kids you explain principle #3 to them. and you explain to them that the people who talk lashon hara about other yidden lack an appreciation for a yiddishe neshama, and also lack in their relationship to our common Father. And show them by example. Maybe invite some kids over for a shabbos meal?
/soapbox

[Tankchucker]

serious question for freddie and dan ; If you dont want to answer publicly send pm
what is the otd statistics in the chabad crown hights community ?
and how is the issue being dealt with ?

I'm not Freddie or dan and I don't know statistics but from my grade it was %10 (out of 100) and 2 came back fully and another is basically MO now.

  In crown heights we have a organization (aliya) that arranges shiurim farbrengens and events job placements and counseling... and there's a top notch trade school in California (jets) that emphasizes on giving these kids career training and frumkait is the secondary goal there (basically the goal isn't that they should be frum just that they should lead normal lives), there's also a high school and yeshiva in Pennsylvania (wilkesberra) which does amazing work, though unfortunately none of them have a %100 success rates.

  There aren't too many not frum people from chabad that are bitter about yiddishkiet, it's mostly guys that want to have fun/aren't interested.

 In chabad they are more excepted than anywhere else, and there isn't much of a drug problem among them like there is in monsey (I'm not considering cannabis a drug)

  Though I don't know anything in about the Lakewood situation other then what's been written in this thread,  IMHO I don't agree with how these people are trying to fix the issue, BUT it would be more productive to invite two or three of these kids over for a shabbos meal then to complain how people try to fix the issue...

[yitrap]

With all due respect @doodle you are closed minded.

[Cowboysuk]

Do you think it's a coincidence that everyone with such arguments is naive and oblivious to the situation? I repeat as time moves on i discuss this with more people and my statistics hold solid, not one person with a little bit of an understanding of the situation took up your position that proves to me that there is a serious flaw in your understanding of the situation which will only be understood when your kids are hanging out at the lake on shabbos afternoon ( and don't be so naive to say "not my kids")

Rabbi Chaim Abadi, who, if you know anything about the situation in lakewood , is one of the most involved people in this situation, is actually pro the demonstrations. He told someone "we tried everything including making nice parties for them but they just took the food and drink and went right back. It keeps on getting worse and this is a last resort attempt to, if not eradicate it completely, at least contain it from getting worse".
 For those that dont know who R Abadi is just go to j2 saturday night...

[Cowboysuk]

Before you go out to protest you need to ask what is my goal and will it be accomplished in this manner and the obvious answer to anyone who understands the situation is no

The goal is to discourage those on the fence from joining and to make a statement about how chomur chillul shabbos is.

[tjak]

With all due respect @doodle you are closed minded.

Sometimes people try to be so open minded they fail to see both sides of the story, and in turn they become close minded. @yitrap IMO you fall into that category.

[yitrap]

Sometimes people try to be so open minded they fail to see both sides of the story, and in turn they become close minded. @yitrap IMO you fall into that category.

Could be. Issue is in this case I am on the same side as our leaders- are they also cv close minded?

[tjak]

Could be. Issue is in this case I am on the same side as our leaders- are they also cv close minded?

I took it from your post that your siding with  those bashing the rally, if I was wrong sincere apologies, if I was right who are the leaders you are following?

[monkey]

The so called experts had their chance and failed miserably, now its time to isolate them

Ughhh.