Lakewood Shabbos rally

[Sport]

Those that are in favor come from both camps. Mostly the latter.

Not only did the opposite happen, but now larger counter protests are being planned, and it seems "OTD people" outside of Lakewood will be joining the counter protest against "the frummies," exacerbating the situation further. Color everyone shocked.

Oh, before you go, please know that if you believe the protest will not serve its intended purpose and will backfire, you are pro public chilul Shabbos. Also rape. Rape is involved somehow.

And probably MO.

[yitrap]

Those that are in favor come from both camps. Mostly the latter.

Not only did the opposite happen, but now larger counter protests are being planned, and it seems "OTD people" outside of Lakewood will be joining the counter protest against "the frummies," exacerbating the situation further. Color everyone shocked.

Oh, before you go, please know that if you believe the protest will not serve its intended purpose and will backfire, you are pro public chilul Shabbos. Also rape. Rape is involved somehow.

FTW WOW I'm AROFL

[Sport]

I guess you don't know kids...

I guess you dont know me

[PTU]

So that they find another area? What was accomplished?

We don't know where kids will go from here...
But as of now, we can't just walk by silently and leave them be. They don't feel comfortable doing what they do anywhere else.
The situation has become such that they feel like the lake is their turf, where everything is totally hefker.

How can you justify allowing this to continue? All the march is doing is taking away their precious sinning turf.

If they do CV go elsewhere we would have to deal with it then.

[yitrap]

Something wrong with the link

[Dan]

We don't know where kids will go from here...
But as of now, we can't just walk by silently and leave them be. They don't feel comfortable doing what they do anywhere else.
The situation has become such that they feel like the lake is their turf, where everything is totally hefker.

How can you justify allowing this to continue? All the march is doing is taking away their precious sinning turf.

If they do CV go elsewhere we would have to deal with it then.

I dunno, maybe invite them over for a shabbos meal or something?
Did you watch the videos of the rallies?

[Dan]

you reminded me when,
I was in a delta plane 4 hours*2 at Ben Gurion on the terminal a brake was malfunctioning, I was laughing and cracking jokes........
A shvartza came over and asked "why are you so happy"was my answer.

And the previous Lubavitcher Rebbe laughed at the Russians pointed a gun in his face.
And people danced in concentration camps.
Nothing wrong with a little laughter, Gd wants people to be happy.
Tracht gut vet zein gut.
L'chaim.

[PTU]

I dunno, maybe invite them over for a shabbos meal or something?
Did you watch the videos of the rallies?

We've invited them for meals, parties, get togethers, trips etc. Etc.

This is literally the last resort!

Yes I watched them. They were very warm and peaceful. No screaming, shrieking, threatening or anything else.

[Achas Veachas]

We don't know where kids will go from here...
But as of now, we can't just walk by silently and leave them be. They don't feel comfortable doing what they do anywhere else.
The situation has become such that they feel like the lake is their turf, where everything is totally hefker.

How can you justify allowing this to continue? All the march is doing is taking away their precious sinning turf.

If they do CV go elsewhere we would have to deal with it then.

You sound like you have a very deep understanding of human nature.

Closing my favorite restaurant won't make me stop eating, it will just make me find another restaurant...

[yitrap]

We don't know where kids will go from here...
But as of now, we can't just walk by silently and leave them be. They don't feel comfortable doing what they do anywhere else.
The situation has become such that they feel like the lake is their turf, where everything is totally hefker.

How can you justify allowing this to continue? All the march is doing is taking away their precious sinning turf.

If they do CV go elsewhere we would have to deal with it then.

You don't know, I and some of the others here do...they will stay there and make a bigger scene and commotion, why can't some people understand this?? you are taking a sad angry rebellious child and antagonizing him - what do you think is going to happen?

As avromie7 said at the begining they are at the park as opposed to doing it openly on the blocks they live on - some of these kids still respect their parents and although they are doing something wrong they will at least try to be a little more private about it not where every kid on their block knows who they are and what they're doing.

This cannot continue that's 100% correct no one ever said it can or should but there is a way to do it and this was not it.

[yitrap]

We've invited them for meals, parties, get togethers, trips etc. Etc.

This is literally the last resort!

Yes I watched them. They were very warm and peaceful. No screaming, shrieking, threatening or anything else.

You being part of the We've?
How is this the last resort? and being that you claim it is now that the last resort failed I guess you'll just walk away considering there is no other options...

[avromie7]

I dunno, maybe invite them over for a shabbos meal or something?
Did you watch the videos of the rallies?

I have a theory which i repeated here a few times and has proven true here and with the many other people i've spoken to, not a single person who knows any of those kids thinks that something useful will come out of this, it's only those who do not know any of them and don't understand the situation who believe anything positive can come out of this

[Achas Veachas]

We've invited them for meals, parties, get togethers, trips etc. Etc.

This is literally the last resort!

Yes I watched them. They were very warm and peaceful. No screaming, shrieking, threatening or anything else.

This line of reasoning makes me laugh (and cry).

Reminds me of a story I heard from someone who used to be a dorm counselor in a Chabad Yeshivah for imigrant boys in Israel. Between the list of rules that was hanging in the dorm was the Tznius Rule" that the boys should only undress in the bathroom or under a blanket. One day the dorm councellor comes in and sees one of the boys prancing around in his birthday suit, he calls out to him "David, Tzniut?", the boy, without beating an eyelash
 "אבל המדריך, עשיתי צניעות כבר"...

[lunatic]

This line of reasoning makes me laugh (and cry), reminds me of a story I heard from someone who used to be a dorm counselor in a Chabad Yeshivah for imigrant boys in Israel. Between the list of rules that was hanging in the dorm was the Tznius Rule" that the boys should only undress in the bathroom or under a blanket. One day the dorm councellor comes in and sees one of the boys prancing around in his birthday suit, he calls out to him "David, Tzniut?", the boy, without beating an eyelash "Aval Hamadrich, Asiti Tzniut Kvar"...

Makes me want to just cry

[yitrap]

This line of reasoning makes me laugh (and cry), reminds me of a story I heard from someone who used to be a dorm counselor in a Chabad Yeshivah for imigrant boys in Israel. Between the list of rules that was hanging in the dorm was the Tznius Rule" that the boys should only undress in the bathroom or under a blanket. One day the dorm councellor comes in and sees one of the boys prancing around in his birthday suit, he calls out to him "David, Tzniut?", the boy, without beating an eyelash "Aval Hamadrich, Asiti Tzniut Kvar"...

along the same lines...

One of my Rabbiyum says over that another Rebbi came to him to ask him some tricks, he responded that there is no tricks he just gives love and more love, the person responded "yeah we tried the love thing- it didn't work for us"

[Achas Veachas]

along the same lines...

Yeah that story first reminded me of it, I just didn't post it until now.

[PTU]

You being part of the We've?
How is this the last resort? and being that you claim it is now that the last resort failed I guess you'll just walk away considering there is no other options...

How did it fail? Cuz kids are mad that they we are not "chilled and accepting enough"?

[yitrap]

How did it fail? Cuz kids are mad that they we are not "chilled and accepting enough"?

Did you not see the counter protest? I said from the beginning they will win this game they are a lot more stubborn I will put money down they outlast the protests
You forgot to answer my first question.

[avromie7]

How did it fail? Cuz kids are mad that they we are not "chilled and accepting enough"?

When you have a problem you need to find a solution to the problem, if the solution does not solve any problem its not a solution so find a real solution not one that can only be thought of by those who don't know what the problem really is

[Racer7400]

not that i actually have any experience with kiruv but i have been around kiruv enough (almost all my life) to know that the only way to get through to people who are like this is with a lot of patience love and kindness throwing something in there face even done nicely will not work.