Lakewood Shabbos rally

[yakrot]

He totally missed the boat. What is happening at the lake is not a breach of Lakewood standards but a breach of any standard of observant Judaism. If you call for people to accept that then you are espousing at best modern orthodoxy.
On his other point, this has nothing to do with people accepting colored shirts. There are many people in Lakewood who wear them and feel very accepted. The difference between those who feel accepted and those who do not is more their actions.

No mention in his article that they are protesting blatant chillul shabbos, he claims they are protesting the fact that these kids dress "differently"

[avromie7]

when it more of a parade or a peaceful demonstration that most of the boys were not upset about.

Where did you get that impression from? This is not a peaceful demonstration its about as peaceful as you can call a peaceful demonstration on your front lawn

And most of them are very upset about it

[aygart]

And I remain: huh?

Then maybe you are the one here who is the most closed minded in the opposite way of which he accuses Lakewood of being.

[Sport]

Then maybe you are the one here who is the most closed minded in the opposite way of which he accuses Lakewood of being.

I still I fail to follow your point. But you can continue to attack me instead of clarifying your opinion.

[yuneeq]

Where did you get that impression from? This is not a peaceful demonstration its about as peaceful as you can call a peaceful demonstration on your front lawn

And most of them are very upset about it

Well obviously public property is not like your front lawn.
I got the impression from someone that was there and shmoozed with a few of the boys.
Where did you get your impression from?

[avromie7]

Well obviously public property is not like your front lawn.
I got the impression from someone that was there and shmoozed with a few of the boys.
Where did you get your impression from?

I get my impression from schmoozing with them

[Yehuda25]

Fink is completely clueless.

1) Not every yeshiva in lakewood is a top of the line yeshiva.
2) People that wear colored shirts aren't considered rebels in Lakewood, and can get their kids in yeshiva.
They might not be considered yeshivish, but that would apply in any town.

Side point:
I was told from someone there, that many people approached the boys at the lake and were able to talk with them (in a helping manner).
Some even convinced some of the boys to leave the lake.
I was also told that besides 3-5 people, everyone else was not (openly) mechalel shabbos.
Also, the use of the word "protest" paints a picture of people castigating and yelling at the boys,
when it more of a parade or a peaceful demonstration that most of the boys were not upset about.

well said

[Dan]

Can't believe you guys are debating an article written by that moron. 
You couldn't pay me to read anything he has to say after the arguments he put up here: https://www.facebook.com/eliyahu.fink/posts/10102202420967555

[PTU]

Can't believe you guys are debating an article written by that moron. 
You couldn't pay me to read anything he has to say after the arguments he put up here: https://www.facebook.com/eliyahu.fink/posts/10102202420967555

+10

[yitrap]

Can't believe you guys are debating an article written by that moron. 
You couldn't pay me to read anything he has to say after the arguments he put up here: https://www.facebook.com/eliyahu.fink/posts/10102202420967555

Hence....

This guy...........

[yakrot]

[Freddie]

Can't believe you guys are debating an article written by that moron. 
You couldn't pay me to read anything he has to say after the arguments he put up here: https://www.facebook.com/eliyahu.fink/posts/10102202420967555

@Dan, you're in good company.
https://www.facebook.com/eliyahu.fink/posts/10101811378504785

[sky121]

Oh gosh.
No one saw this coming.

[Aj3042]

He totally missed the boat. What is happening at the lake is not a breach of Lakewood standards but a breach of any standard of observant Judaism. If you call for people to accept that then you are espousing at best modern orthodoxy.
On his other point, this has nothing to do with people accepting colored shirts. There are many people in Lakewood who wear them and feel very accepted. The difference between those who feel accepted and those who do not is more their actions.

That's the bottom line.
Usually whatever this guy says is a warning to run in the other direction. He's MO on steroids-just read some other stuff he's written. If you want to approach it from a really frum kiruv perspective then we have what to talk about but from an MO perspective nothing even starts.
ETA: I see I was mechavein to Dan. And yes that link shows his true colors. Yuck.

Can't believe you guys are debating an article written by that moron. 
You couldn't pay me to read anything he has to say after the arguments he put up here: https://www.facebook.com/eliyahu.fink/posts/10102202420967555

[Ergel]

Oh gosh.
No one saw this coming.

I hope you are being sarcastic. This was obviously what was going to happen

[Aj3042]

I hope you are being sarcastic. This was obviously what was going to happen

Of course. But it's not relevant.

[Ergel]

but from an MO perspective nothing even starts.

Challilah, because MO's are not even Jewish

[Ergel]

Of course. But it's not relevant.

What's not relevant?

[Aj3042]

What's not relevant?

The fact that they don't like the "frummy" protest.

Challilah, because MO's are not even Jewish

That's not a way to argue-if you have a point say it straight out.
I think if you want to leave shmiras shabbos to the MO's you're oblivious to what's going on in the world. Nobody says MO's aren't Jewish but many say that many of their grandkids won't be and if you're aware of the HUGE problems with shabbos in that community you'll understand why. And yes it's way worse than the shabbos issues in the rest of the frum world.

[elit]

Can't believe you guys are debating an article written by that moron. 
You couldn't pay me to read anything he has to say after the arguments he put up here: https://www.facebook.com/eliyahu.fink/posts/10102202420967555

+1 refuse to give the guy my hit even if he's not saying anything bad this time