Author Topic: Lakewood Shabbos rally (Read 157776 times)

yitrap · « **Reply #640 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:07:35 PM »

Quote from: rs242 on May 20, 2015, 04:59:24 PM

When I first heard about these walks to the lake I didn't understand what are they going to accomplish like all of you, so I ask my rave who I know was involved what the point? and what do you do there? He told me the point is not to micarev them (because this not the way) but rather to make this spot not a fun hang out. Why? Because this is right in the middle of yeshiva neighborhood and why should our kids have to walk by and see the kids we failed on. These kids grew up in yeshiva households and have no interest in coming to their neighbors house for a shobbas meal.

It's a nice idea but it won't work...

And like avromie7 said, it's not true...

doodle · « **Reply #641 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:07:57 PM »

Quote from: Dan on May 20, 2015, 03:07:09 PM

I don't share your hashkafik views, so please don't force them on me.
I actually begged my parents to go to a Chabad yeshiva when I got tired of hearing of the punishments awaiting us for not following halacha. Hearing about the positive is a better motivator for me. /.02

in many threads you mention your bad experience in your non chabad yeshiva.
you should know that many tens of thousands had WONDERFUL AND POSITIVE experiences. your claims that non chabad yeshivos are full of hate and hell spewing preachers , is a libel .

doodle · « **Reply #642 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:09:02 PM »

I believe you all the way. and i feel bad. But its not the norm at all!

yitrap · « **Reply #643 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:10:26 PM »

Quote from: aygart on May 20, 2015, 05:00:07 PM

As I had said previously, I don't think the original organizers intended it to be the way it was.

So then it couldn't be that this was about giving them the "left hand"... or it was intended to be that way.

Personally I feel the organizers are people who probably genuinely care they just don't know the right way to do it or for some reason decided they wanted to do it this way.

yitrap · « **Reply #644 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:13:52 PM »

Quote from: doodle on May 20, 2015, 05:07:57 PM

in many threads you mention your bad experience in your non chabad yeshiva.
you should know that many tens of thousands had WONDERFUL AND POSITIVE experiences. your claims that non chabad yeshivos are full of hate and hell spewing preachers , is a libel .

You again....

Many people did have amazing growing experiences thats true, you can't deny that the Litvishe mehalach is based more on the consequences whereas Chassidish and more specifically Chabad are based on Schar...different people thrive under different environments that's all.

P.S. look I wrote a full post without feeling the need to use caps lock!

monkey · « **Reply #645 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:18:24 PM »

We're not talking about 40 year olds that are otd. These are teenagers. By messing with them they will mess back. To show that you don't approve of their behavior there are other ways to show it other than a protest. There are ways to show that you don't approve in a loving way.

And yes, I've personally helped otd teens.

aygart · « **Reply #646 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:19:24 PM »

Quote from: yitrap on May 20, 2015, 05:10:26 PM

So then it couldn't be that this was about giving them the "left hand"... or it was intended to be that way.

Personally I feel the organizers are people who probably genuinely care they just don't know the right way to do it or for some reason decided they wanted to do it this way.

This was definitely about getting them to relocate and not to be mikarev them. I would call that smol mirachek

yitrap · « **Reply #647 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:21:45 PM »

Quote from: aygart on May 20, 2015, 05:19:24 PM

This was definitely about getting them to relocate and not to be mikarev them. I would call that smol mirachek

Ok so then it was bad army not bad cop....

aygart · « **Reply #648 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:23:48 PM »

Quote from: yitrap on May 20, 2015, 05:21:45 PM

Ok so then it was bad army not bad cop....

Quote from: aygart on May 20, 2015, 05:00:07 PM

As I had said previously, I don't think the original organizers intended it to be the way it was.

doodle · « **Reply #649 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:30:46 PM »

Quote from: yitrap on May 20, 2015, 05:13:52 PM

Many people did have amazing growing experiences thats true, you can't deny that the Litvishe mehalach is based more on the consequences whereas Chassidish and more specifically Chabad are based on Schar...different people thrive under different environments that's all.

1You refer to the mussarniks , which is only a Small minority in the litvish world. (that would be like calling all chabadniks Meshichists....)\
2No one discusses Hell and punishments today .. for that look in Raishes Chachma and other works.. including those from the old chasidic masters.
3 today everyone goes to the highest gan eden ...... even if they go otd.....AS LONG AS THEY LIVEANDLETLIVE

yitrap · « **Reply #650 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:31:22 PM »

You can't have this....

Quote from: aygart on May 20, 2015, 04:55:41 PM

In some ways it is better that when a strong stand needs to be taken it be done by someone other than the ones pulling them closer who may ruin the existing relationship.

With this....

Quote from: aygart on May 20, 2015, 05:19:24 PM

This was definitely about getting them to relocate and not to be mikarev them. I would call that smol mirachek

And it not be this...

Quote from: yitrap on May 20, 2015, 04:56:40 PM

Good cop bad cop...sure
Not good cop bad army

unless you say....

Quote from: aygart on May 20, 2015, 05:00:07 PM

As I had said previously, I don't think the original organizers intended it to be the way it was.

in which case it couldn't have been this...

Quote from: aygart on May 20, 2015, 05:19:24 PM

This was definitely about getting them to relocate and not to be mikarev them. I would call that smol mirachek

rather it would be...

Quote from: aygart on May 20, 2015, 05:19:24 PM

This was definitely about getting them to relocate and not to be mikarev them. I would call that smol mirachek

which we all agree is foolish.

yitrap · « **Reply #651 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:32:07 PM »

Quote from: doodle on May 20, 2015, 05:30:46 PM

1You refer to the mussarniks , which is only a Small minority in the litvish world. (that would be like calling all chabadniks Meshichists....)\
2No one discusses Hell and punishments today .. for that look in Raishes Chachma and other works.. including those from the old chasidic masters.
3 today everyone goes to the highest gan eden ...... even if they go otd.....AS LONG AS THEY LIVEANDLETLIVE

I would respond but you're yelling.

MarkS · « **Reply #652 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:37:06 PM »

henche · « **Reply #653 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:42:27 PM »

Quote from: doodle on May 20, 2015, 05:30:46 PM

1You refer to the mussarniks , which is only a Small minority in the litvish world. (that would be like calling all chabadniks Meshichists....)\
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I don't think that is even true of mussarniks (I am one). It was true of Novardok, which was a subset of the mussar movement, and no longer exists in the same manner. (So it would be like calling all chabadniks I dunno what)

aygart · « **Reply #654 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:43:45 PM »

Quote from: yitrap on May 20, 2015, 05:31:22 PM

You can't have this....

With this....And it not be this...
unless you say....in which case it couldn't have been this...rather it would be...which we all agree is foolish.

I disagree with your deductions. There are places where there was need to get them to relocate and what was done quite successfully as I wrote previously.

Quote from: aygart on May 20, 2015, 03:35:10 PM

They left their developments because they made to feel uncomfortable there albeit on a much lower scale.

Aj3042 · « **Reply #655 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:43:56 PM »

Quote from: doodle on May 20, 2015, 05:30:46 PM

1You refer to the mussarniks , which is only a Small minority in the litvish world. (that would be like calling all chabadniks Meshichists....)\
2No one discusses Hell and punishments today .. for that look in Raishes Chachma and other works.. including those from the old chasidic masters.
3 today everyone goes to the highest gan eden ...... even if they go otd.....AS LONG AS THEY LIVEANDLETLIVE

Well said-this "live and let live" mentality is ludicrous it's like a central tenet of enlightened Jews and totally foreign to torah as I've demonstrated.

Shmelly · « **Reply #656 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:44:10 PM »

Quote from: rs242 on May 20, 2015, 04:59:24 PM

These kids grew up in yeshiva households and have no interest in coming to their neighbors house for a shobbas meal.

Quote from: avromie7 on May 20, 2015, 05:03:04 PM

This is so far from the truth

Over a decade ago I was an OTD kid in Lakewood. The last thing I or any of my friends wanted to do was go to a neighbor for a shabbos meal.

elit · « **Reply #657 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:44:38 PM »

Quote from: yitrap on May 20, 2015, 05:31:22 PM

You can't have this....

With this....And it not be this...
unless you say....in which case it couldn't have been this...rather it would be...which we all agree is foolish.

This post for sure took too much work

Aj3042 · « **Reply #658 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:45:10 PM »

Quote from: Shmelly on May 20, 2015, 05:44:10 PM

Over a decade ago I was an OTD kid in Lakewood. The last thing I wanted to do was go to a neighbor for a shabbos meal.

So here we have it folks. Hard to argue given that what he's saying is common sense as well.

Ergel · « **Reply #659 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:48:42 PM »

Quote from: Aj3042 on May 20, 2015, 05:45:10 PM

So here we have it folks. Hard to argue given that what he's saying is common sense as well.

And by simple deduction therefore the rally was effective

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