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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #135 on: June 07, 2015, 04:17:51 PM »
""If anyone has a Rov that says it's Mutter, post his NAME! Don't say "I heard..." etc. If you have enough confidence on him to put your Olam Haba at stake, have enough confidence to post his name.""

I asked Rabbi Dovid Cohen from Flatbush . His word to me were although many rabonim disagree with me,in  my humble opinion it is muttar to copy cd's. (this was before the leasing agreement I don't know what he says about that
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #136 on: June 07, 2015, 08:25:07 PM »
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #137 on: June 07, 2015, 10:26:37 PM »
I've asked my rov and he said if its בין אדם למקום he can give you any היתר but בין אדם לחברו no way

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #138 on: June 08, 2015, 02:28:07 AM »
What should be the issur? The producers dont own the cd once you buy it. And as for infringing on someones parnassa maybe they should find a parnassa thats not contingent on people not doing what they're allowed to do.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #139 on: June 08, 2015, 04:56:09 AM »
And as for infringing on someones parnassa maybe they should find a parnassa thats not contingent on people not doing what they're allowed to do.

Wow.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #140 on: June 08, 2015, 05:07:58 AM »
What should be the issur? The producers dont own the cd once you buy it. And as for infringing on someones parnassa maybe they should find a parnassa thats not contingent on people not doing what they're allowed to do.
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your not allowed to open a store on the same block if the same store is open already it takes away his business so to your taking away his business

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #141 on: June 08, 2015, 06:49:19 AM »
What should be the issur? The producers dont own the cd once you buy it. And as for infringing on someones parnassa maybe they should find a parnassa thats not contingent on people not doing what they're allowed to do.
I once heard a Shiur from R' Leibel Williger in which he went through 8 (EIGHT!) potential Issurim that are possible (granted that some of them are only Assur according to a Daas Yochid).

Basically, there is lots of Lomdus involved, and (at least IMO) we should leave the reasoning to the Poskim.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #142 on: June 08, 2015, 09:38:39 AM »
What should be the issur? The producers dont own the cd once you buy it.

I guess the whole concept of intellectual property is lost on you. Is it the mention of intellect that gets you?  :P

In all seriousness, I will dignify your question with a response. Have you ever had a photo shoot? Got something designed, written or drawn? Do you know anyone who does those things for a living? Tell them you are copying their work, and you'll likely get a more impassioned, erudite  response.

The same way a photographer owns the photos he takes, even if they are of you(!), the singer/artist owns the material they produced. Radio stations are charged a royalty fee to play the song and consumers are permitted limitless enjoyment through purchase of the CD. But the artist still owns the "intellectual property" of the material, even if the physical CD is yours.

As to whether intellectual property exists in halacha, that is the primary question (although, as YitzyS mentions, there are other issues at play, too). The vast majority consider this to be included in dina d'malchusa dina, in which international copyright laws prohibit the unauthorized copying of intellectual property. Additionally, whether or not Halacha explicitly states it is theft or not, there are many things which simply do not pass the smell test, and are so blatantly wrong there isn't even a shailah to be asked. (You want to get into the sugya? Knock yourself out. But in terms of practical application? Justifications are absurd). Which brings us to:

And as for infringing on someones parnassa maybe they should find a parnassa thats not contingent on people not doing what they're allowed to do.
I'll leave it at
Wow.
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #143 on: June 08, 2015, 09:10:17 PM »
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your not allowed to open a store on the same block if the same store is open already it takes away his business so to your taking away his business
Just to clarify my argument I wasn't saying there can't be an an issur to infringe on someones parnassa, I was just saying that just because you are affecting someones parnassa doesn't make it automatically assur.
For example (and Im not saying its an exact comparison so dont attack) if someone made a living selling baseball stats and now the all the info is readily available for free online there wont be an issur to look up baseball stats on the internet because you're affecting his parnassa! He should go find another line of work.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #144 on: June 08, 2015, 09:30:41 PM »
Wow.
Now, there's a well thought out, articulate argument.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #145 on: June 08, 2015, 09:41:43 PM »
Can we get this thread back on topic again?? We can discuss halacha in the "halacha thread..."

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #146 on: June 08, 2015, 09:50:35 PM »
Can we get this thread back on topic again?? We can discuss halacha in the "halacha thread..."
The Lipa single is horrendous.

Better?
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #147 on: June 08, 2015, 09:55:31 PM »
Just to clarify my argument I wasn't saying there can't be an an issur to infringe on someones parnassa, I was just saying that just because you are affecting someones parnassa doesn't make it automatically assur.
For example (and Im not saying its an exact comparison so dont attack) if someone made a living selling baseball stats and now the all the info is readily available for free online there wont be an issur to look up baseball stats on the internet because you're affecting his parnassa! He should go find another line of work.
I'm gonna attack the comparison, if you took his stats that he worked hard to compile and put it online...that would be the same thing.
Do you not think this is a case of Zeh Nehne ve'zeh choser?

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #148 on: June 08, 2015, 10:02:26 PM »
The Lipa single is horrendous.

Better?
Lol. Yes it is horrendous ;D

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