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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1820 on: February 12, 2020, 07:08:28 PM »
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1821 on: February 12, 2020, 07:47:58 PM »


Nice but what's Jewish about it?


Why do we have to go through the "what is Jewish music" every darn song that is released.
It's written by a frum Jew.
The lyrics are by a frum Jew.
The performer is a frum Jew.
The lyrics are about his love for his kids. For all the cheesiness, that doesn't make it goyish.
So what's not Jewish about it? That it doesn't repeat the same 4 words or of Tehillim over and over?

I get why you wouldn't like the song, but why the need for this jab?

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1822 on: February 12, 2020, 08:20:45 PM »

Why do we have to go through the "what is Jewish music" every darn song that is released.
It's written by a frum Jew.
The lyrics are by a frum Jew.
The performer is a frum Jew.
The lyrics are about his love for his kids. For all the cheesiness, that doesn't make it goyish.
So what's not Jewish about it? That it doesn't repeat the same 4 words or of Tehillim over and over?

I get why you wouldn't like the song, but why the need for this jab?
Jewish songs should center around G-d and our relationship with him.

Not gonna go here (just did) but songs like this about some guy's fatherly feelings, or by MordyShap about its nice to hang with friends, are not sanctioned by halacha.

Point being, it's not a Jewish song just because it's sung and composed by a Jewish artist.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1823 on: February 12, 2020, 09:21:10 PM »
Love
yes, it's like a "love" song. He just replaced "wife" with "child".
but its basically a love song, and I wouldn't be surprised to find part of the lyrics taken from somewhere...

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1824 on: February 12, 2020, 09:36:50 PM »
yes, it's like a "love" song. He just replaced "wife" with "child".
but its basically a love song, and I wouldn't be surprised to find part of the lyrics taken from somewhere...
Responding to the wrong thing? Two convos going on here
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1825 on: February 12, 2020, 09:37:53 PM »
Responding to the wrong thing? Two convos going on here
replying to this.
https://youtu.be/HeKQqyCv_Hg

This is a style that is unique in the Jewish music world. I'm biased as a lifelong friend, but his vocal chops are incredible. Glad he finally put something out.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1826 on: February 13, 2020, 02:51:48 AM »
Ah giten:
Love
was a response to the question of whether he liked "Charasho" (nothing to do with "Carry You").
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1827 on: February 13, 2020, 07:15:29 AM »

Why do we have to go through the "what is Jewish music" every darn song that is released.
It's written by a frum Jew.
The lyrics are by a frum Jew.
The performer is a frum Jew.
The lyrics are about his love for his kids. For all the cheesiness, that doesn't make it goyish.
So what's not Jewish about it? That it doesn't repeat the same 4 words or of Tehillim over and over?

I get why you wouldn't like the song, but why the need for this jab?



Jewish songs should center around G-d and our relationship with him.

Not gonna go here (just did) but songs like this about some guy's fatherly feelings, or by MordyShap about its nice to hang with friends, are not sanctioned by halacha.

Point being, it's not a Jewish song just because it's sung and composed by a Jewish artist.

Maybe we could use 2 categories:

Jewish/Holy music: center around G-d and our relationship with him.

Parve music: there is nothing "not Jewish" about it.
It's written by a frum Jew.
The lyrics are by a frum Jew.
The performer is a frum Jew. Etc.

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קדושה / קליפת נוגה / שלוש קליפות הטמאות

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1828 on: February 13, 2020, 07:43:15 AM »


Maybe we could use 2 categories:

Jewish/Holy music: center around G-d and our relationship with him.

Parve music: there is nothing "not Jewish" about it.
It's written by a frum Jew.
The lyrics are by a frum Jew.
The performer is a frum Jew. Etc.

Perhaps related to
קדושה / קליפת נוגה / שלוש קליפות הטמאות

What about a song which uses words from psukim to create a "creative musical production"?
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1829 on: February 13, 2020, 08:03:08 AM »
What about a song which uses words from psukim to create a "creative musical production"?
Think of it more like a Venn Diagram than a Black and White distinction?


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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1830 on: February 13, 2020, 08:04:02 AM »
Anyone know where I can download copy of Bonei Olam M"S event from a few weeks ago with the Game Show etc..?

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1831 on: February 13, 2020, 08:14:04 AM »
Think of it more like a Venn Diagram than a Black and White distinction?


I would consider a song about a father caring for his son much more Jewish that one which may cause shir hashirim to don sackcloth.
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1832 on: February 13, 2020, 12:46:31 PM »
I would consider a song about a father caring for his son much more Jewish that one which may cause shir hashirim to don sackcloth.

Well, he has a daughter, so maybe it's not tznius?
It's a constant source of bafflement the things that trigger reactions on this forum.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1833 on: February 13, 2020, 08:44:35 PM »
Not gonna go here (just did) but songs like this about some guy's fatherly feelings, or by MordyShap about its nice to hang with friends, are not sanctioned by halacha.

source?

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1834 on: February 13, 2020, 09:22:29 PM »
source?
I haven't heard the Mordechai Shapiro song, but assuming it is against halacha to speak about friends hanging out, would it be OK if he added the possuk hinei ma tov?


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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1835 on: February 14, 2020, 12:17:21 AM »
yes, it's like a "love" song. He just replaced "wife" with "child".
but its basically a love song, and I wouldn't be surprised to find part of the lyrics taken from somewhere...
And so is Shir Hashirim
Can't begin to fathom what you have against that song.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1836 on: February 14, 2020, 09:49:25 AM »
I haven't heard the Mordechai Shapiro song, but assuming it is against halacha to speak about friends hanging out, would it be OK if he added the possuk hinei ma tov?


It would be worse.

Music for the purpose of entertainment is a general halachic question due to zecher lchurban. Using psukim for that makes it even worse.
For the record, not being connected to pesukim is a maala not a chisaron. At least Shir Hashirim won't put on sack cloth.
All of this is a distortion of Jewish music. Traditionally Jewish music has always been to use music to bring out the feeling of the words. Chazzanus was always a musical interpretation of the words. When anything goes as long as the words have some sort of Jewish source (or has no Jewish source but is simply sung by a Jew) this is where you start getting Shir Hashirim to put on sackcloth and complain about being made into a bar song.

"It's only precious if and when,
it brings us closer to Hashem"
That said, a song about "friends" can be about achdus too.
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1837 on: February 14, 2020, 09:58:07 AM »
It would be worse.


That's exactly my point. I was being facetious. The same people who have a problem with "hanging out with friends" with the performer singing in his own words, wouldn't have a problem with him singing hinei ma tov over an over.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1838 on: February 14, 2020, 10:24:15 AM »
That's exactly my point. I was being facetious. The same people who have a problem with "hanging out with friends" with the performer singing in his own words, wouldn't have a problem with him singing hinei ma tov over an over.
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1839 on: February 14, 2020, 10:31:41 AM »
For the record, not being connected to pesukim is a maala not a chisaron. At least Shir Hashirim won't put on sack cloth.
Since you keep referencing back to this, I'll just point out that this sugya is not as pashut as you're making it seem, as I'm sure you're aware. There are certainly 'Jewish' songs out there which would 100% fall under the issur from that gemara, and situations where a 'kosher' song is being used in a way that would fall under the 'issur' according to everyone, but to say that all pesukim-based songs are problematic is an oversimplification.

[This is no to defend the idea that songs not based in pesukim are somehow worse.]