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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1830 on: February 13, 2020, 08:04:02 AM »
Anyone know where I can download copy of Bonei Olam M"S event from a few weeks ago with the Game Show etc..?

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1831 on: February 13, 2020, 08:14:04 AM »
Think of it more like a Venn Diagram than a Black and White distinction?


I would consider a song about a father caring for his son much more Jewish that one which may cause shir hashirim to don sackcloth.
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1832 on: February 13, 2020, 12:46:31 PM »
I would consider a song about a father caring for his son much more Jewish that one which may cause shir hashirim to don sackcloth.

Well, he has a daughter, so maybe it's not tznius?
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1833 on: February 13, 2020, 08:44:35 PM »
Not gonna go here (just did) but songs like this about some guy's fatherly feelings, or by MordyShap about its nice to hang with friends, are not sanctioned by halacha.

source?

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1834 on: February 13, 2020, 09:22:29 PM »
source?
I haven't heard the Mordechai Shapiro song, but assuming it is against halacha to speak about friends hanging out, would it be OK if he added the possuk hinei ma tov?

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1835 on: February 14, 2020, 12:17:21 AM »
yes, it's like a "love" song. He just replaced "wife" with "child".
but its basically a love song, and I wouldn't be surprised to find part of the lyrics taken from somewhere...
And so is Shir Hashirim
Can't begin to fathom what you have against that song.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1836 on: February 14, 2020, 09:49:25 AM »
I haven't heard the Mordechai Shapiro song, but assuming it is against halacha to speak about friends hanging out, would it be OK if he added the possuk hinei ma tov?


It would be worse.

Music for the purpose of entertainment is a general halachic question due to zecher lchurban. Using psukim for that makes it even worse.
For the record, not being connected to pesukim is a maala not a chisaron. At least Shir Hashirim won't put on sack cloth.
All of this is a distortion of Jewish music. Traditionally Jewish music has always been to use music to bring out the feeling of the words. Chazzanus was always a musical interpretation of the words. When anything goes as long as the words have some sort of Jewish source (or has no Jewish source but is simply sung by a Jew) this is where you start getting Shir Hashirim to put on sackcloth and complain about being made into a bar song.

"It's only precious if and when,
it brings us closer to Hashem"
That said, a song about "friends" can be about achdus too.
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1837 on: February 14, 2020, 09:58:07 AM »
It would be worse.


That's exactly my point. I was being facetious. The same people who have a problem with "hanging out with friends" with the performer singing in his own words, wouldn't have a problem with him singing hinei ma tov over an over.
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1838 on: February 14, 2020, 10:24:15 AM »
That's exactly my point. I was being facetious. The same people who have a problem with "hanging out with friends" with the performer singing in his own words, wouldn't have a problem with him singing hinei ma tov over an over.
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1839 on: February 14, 2020, 10:31:41 AM »
For the record, not being connected to pesukim is a maala not a chisaron. At least Shir Hashirim won't put on sack cloth.
Since you keep referencing back to this, I'll just point out that this sugya is not as pashut as you're making it seem, as I'm sure you're aware. There are certainly 'Jewish' songs out there which would 100% fall under the issur from that gemara, and situations where a 'kosher' song is being used in a way that would fall under the 'issur' according to everyone, but to say that all pesukim-based songs are problematic is an oversimplification.

[This is no to defend the idea that songs not based in pesukim are somehow worse.]

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1840 on: February 14, 2020, 11:08:35 AM »
Since you keep referencing back to this, I'll just point out that this sugya is not as pashut as you're making it seem, as I'm sure you're aware. There are certainly 'Jewish' songs out there which would 100% fall under the issur from that gemara, and situations where a 'kosher' song is being used in a way that would fall under the 'issur' according to everyone, but to say that all pesukim-based songs are problematic is an oversimplification.

[This is no to defend the idea that songs not based in pesukim are somehow worse.]

The gemoro definitely means SOMETHING and someone who is producing music better have some understanding of it ans SOMEWHERE that they draw a line to never cross.

I fully understand that it is not simple. THe most basic understang of that gemoro is that it depends on whether or not it was for entertainment purposes instead of "to bring us closer to hashem". There are absolutely other possible ways of understanding it.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1843 on: February 25, 2020, 09:52:00 AM »
https://www-jta-org.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.jta.org/2020/02/24/culture/nissim-blacks-mothaland-bounce-is-the-most-authentically-jewish-song-youll-hear-this-year/amp

“I just wanted you to be aware
Signing off as Mr. Black
Hitler’s worst nightmare.
Yeah.”

The surface reading of this powerful lyric, celebrating Black’s tripartite identity as African, American and Jewish, was highlighted by a German-language reviewer in the Weiner Zeitung (Hitlers schlimmster Alptraum, Feb. 18).



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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1844 on: February 25, 2020, 06:44:23 PM »
Where can I find the Miami Boys Choir song that used Tehillim 32:10 ("haboteach baShem chessed y'sov'venu")?
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