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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #195 on: June 14, 2015, 05:14:31 PM »
I feel like all their songs sound the same
You can say the same for almost any band or even sub genre. It probably just means you don't like them.

Having said that, I do feel they are too prolific, and they could stand to be more picky with song selection and put out albums less frequently.
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #196 on: June 14, 2015, 05:31:49 PM »
You can say the same for almost any band or even sub genre. It probably just means you don't like them.

I used to love them. I followed them from when they started way before they became popular with Yalili. I just feel that in their last few albums they have been mashing a few old songs together and changing the lyrics..


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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #197 on: June 14, 2015, 10:34:08 PM »
Anyone heard the new Ohad yet? On Mostly Music it's still pre-order, but I heard that Israeli radio stations are already playing the whole album.

One thing that looks funny is the cover. On top it says "Dovid Fadida Magish" and on bottom it says "A Yossi Green Production". I wonder who did more. Based on Yossi Green's recent track record (Shragee, Tzuddik, Yiddish Nachas), I would hope that it's more Fadida! (They happen to be nice CDs, but there's nothing exciting about them.)

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #198 on: June 14, 2015, 11:01:25 PM »



In the secular music world, evidence seems to lean toward the copying and spreading of music actually benefitting the artists, leading to increased sales in the long run.


Interesting. Why, then, has the industry put so many millions of dollars into fighting it?

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #199 on: June 15, 2015, 07:23:42 AM »

Interesting. Why, then, has the industry put so many millions of dollars into fighting it?
because if everyone that listens to their music would buy it then they wouldnt lose as much so in the long run they would make more but its true ive spoken to singers and they said they dont make money on CDs its their for advertising

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #200 on: June 15, 2015, 08:41:26 AM »


because if everyone that listens to their music would buy it then they wouldnt lose as much so in the long run

Then those claiming that the proliferation of copying increases exposure and ultimately sales are wrong. Is that what you mean?

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #201 on: June 15, 2015, 09:07:19 AM »

Then those claiming that the proliferation of copying increases exposure and ultimately sales are wrong. Is that what you mean?
what do you mean by sales?

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #202 on: June 15, 2015, 09:18:20 AM »
Sales of CDs and legal downloads.

The argument I've heard made, which goes back to the days of the compact cassette, is that ultimately, the more copies (legal or illegal) that there are around, the more actual sales are made, because many people will like an album they heard from a friend's pirated copy and go buy it.

The same argument was made during the Napster debate, and I questioned then, that if the music industry actually ends up profiting from unauthorized copying, why are they spending so much on lawyers to shut Napster down? (If the profit ultimately came from concerts, they still wouldn't want to shut down a free PR machine.)

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #203 on: June 15, 2015, 09:47:47 AM »
Sales of CDs and legal downloads.

The argument I've heard made, which goes back to the days of the compact cassette, is that ultimately, the more copies (legal or illegal) that there are around, the more actual sales are made, because many people will like an album they heard from a friend's pirated copy and go buy it.
i dont know about you but if i have a pirated copy i wouldnt go out and buy it
would i go to concert if i like their music probably so they would make money but on sales of CDs definitely not 

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #204 on: June 15, 2015, 09:50:09 AM »
Yes, that's why that argument hardly makes sense.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #205 on: June 15, 2015, 09:56:35 AM »
i dont know about you but if i have a pirated copy i wouldnt go out and buy it
would i go to concert if i like their music probably so they would make money but on sales of CDs definitely not
My guess is that you're under 25.  Back in the good old days owning a cd/record was more than just the music, it was a way of following a band. Also the sleeves usually had some appeal.  Music fandom has completely changed. Now people no longer are fans of bands only fans of individual songs.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #206 on: June 15, 2015, 09:57:59 AM »
Sales of CDs and legal downloads.

The argument I've heard made, which goes back to the days of the compact cassette, is that ultimately, the more copies (legal or illegal) that there are around, the more actual sales are made, because many people will like an album they heard from a friend's pirated copy and go buy it.

The same argument was made during the Napster debate, and I questioned then, that if the music industry actually ends up profiting from unauthorized copying, why are they spending so much on lawyers to shut Napster down? (If the profit ultimately came from concerts, they still wouldn't want to shut down a free PR machine.)

The argument is usually twofold: They lose sales, and artists stop producing new material because it simply ins't worth it if it gets stolen.

The second one has been summarily debunked, as a quick look shows musicians and movie studios are more prolific than ever. This argument is repeated often in the Jewish world, but again, I doubt its veracity. Albums have always been glorified business cards for singers to perform at wedding and live events. Only the top few have ever made money of CD/cassette/download sales. (And Eli Gerstner. I've heard it quoted that he consistently makes money on his productions. All I can do is scratch and shake my head.)

As to your question about sales, this is a question that has been asked by many. This debate was rehashed more recently with the proposed SOPA regulations. The numbers the movie and music industries produced were ripped to shreds by most third party analysts. I don't know why they do it - there may be a value in fighting it so it gets curtailed to a point, and they still get the benefits of pirating without all of the losses. It may be a visceral reaction -you would think that stealing=less sales by definition. The opposite is counter-intuitive. I'm sure there is plenty of evidence that I am wrong. But from what I have read, it seems the music and movie industries are making more content and earning more money since the advent of pirating.

Again: THIS IS NOT A JUSTIFICATION TO STEAL.
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #207 on: June 15, 2015, 10:00:37 AM »
Yes, that's why that argument hardly makes sense.

I don't think the argument is that the piraters themselves become buyers, though that definitely does exist. I will often listen to a stolen copy of the CD before deciding to buy it or not. 
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #208 on: June 15, 2015, 10:09:25 AM »


there may be a value in fighting it so it gets curtailed to a point, and they still get the benefits of pirating without all of the losses.

Perhaps. Hard to accept, though.




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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #209 on: June 15, 2015, 10:11:07 AM »


Again: THIS IS NOT A JUSTIFICATION TO STEAL.

Totally with you on that. I can't tell you how much money I've spent on music (Jewish) which I had access to copy.