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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1920 on: May 07, 2020, 12:30:33 PM »
According to all the Poiskim I saw, Once you have singing coming out of a "device" it's considered a kli shir, it dons't matter if there is is just one man singing.
The mistake people make is thinking that only musical instruments are not allowed, however (again according to the Poiskim I saw, very possible there are others who disagree) anything considered a kli shir is not permissible, and that includes device playing acappella.
Rav Yisroel Belsky held that recorded acapella is fine during sefira, even if it sounds like music, provided that it is not computerized. Another posek (Rav Shmuel Forster of the crc, but I could be wrong) holds that since sefira is a minhag, apparently the minhag never applied to acapella (based on people's actions today, considering it's a new development) and thus even computerized acapella is ok.
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1921 on: May 07, 2020, 12:32:57 PM »
Rav Yisroel Belsky held that recorded acapella is fine during sefira, even if it sounds like music, provided that it is not computerized. Another posek (Rav Shmuel Forster of the crc, but I could be wrong) holds that since sefira is a minhag, apparently the minhag never applied to acapella (based on people's actions today, considering it's a new development) and thus even computerized acapella is ok.
Great!
Would love to see the source, thanks.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1922 on: May 07, 2020, 12:35:02 PM »
Rav Yisroel Belsky held that recorded acapella is fine during sefira, even if it sounds like music, provided that it is not computerized. Rav Shmuel Forster holds that since sefira is a minhag, apparently the minhag never applied to acapella (based on people's actions today, considering it's a new development) and thus even computerized acapella is ok.
Very interesting. Once heard a psak from a lakewood posek (dont remember who) bsheim Harav shmuel kaminetsky shlita that music is ok to help excersize but a prominent  rosh yeshiva called r shmuel who clarified that it was a psak given for a very specific case and not hamon am
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1923 on: May 07, 2020, 12:52:31 PM »
According to all the Poiskim I saw, Once you have singing coming out of a "device" it's considered a kli shir, it dons't matter if there is is just one man singing.
The mistake people make is thinking that only musical instruments are not allowed, however (again according to the Poiskim I saw, very possible there are others who disagree) anything considered a kli shir is not permissible, and that includes device playing acappella.
Igros Moshe (OC 1:166) and Tzitz Eliezer (15:33) both says vocals over radio, tape recorder, etc. have the same din as vocal in person. Of course there are those that disagree, and paskin the any device is kli shiur, but it's not all poskim by any stretch.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1924 on: May 07, 2020, 12:53:28 PM »
I dont remeber the full list I once compiled.

Tzitz eliezer
Rav Shmuel wosner

Agian, I'm sure others allow it.
Tzitz Eliezer says the opposite, see above.

ETA: To be clear, they might both asser at least certain recorded vocals - not because it's coming out of a device, but rather because of the issur of dancing during sefira/3 weeks. That's already where you get into the discussion of music fit for dancing or not, which neither seem to get into.
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1925 on: May 07, 2020, 01:17:11 PM »
Tzitz Eliezer (15:33)  says vocals over radio, tape recorder, etc. have the same din as vocal in person.
Tzitz Eliezer says the opposite, see above.

ETA: To be clear, they might both asser at least certain recorded vocals - not because it's coming out of a device, but rather because of the issur of dancing during sefira/3 weeks. That's already where you get into the discussion of music fit for dancing or not, which neither seem to get into.
Tzitz Eliezer clearly says during sefira even just recorded vocals are not allowed.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1926 on: May 07, 2020, 01:20:28 PM »
Rav Yisroel Belsky held that recorded acapella is fine during sefira, even if it sounds like music, provided that it is not computerized. Another posek (Rav Shmuel Forster of the crc, but I could be wrong) holds that since sefira is a minhag, apparently the minhag never applied to acapella (based on people's actions today, considering it's a new development) and thus even computerized acapella is ok.
I attached Rav Belsky's teshuva, from his sefer Shulchan Halevi

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1927 on: May 07, 2020, 01:27:19 PM »
Tzitz Eliezer clearly says during sefira even just recorded vocals are not allowed.
Did you read my ETA? It's because he holds that rikudin u'mecholos creates an extra issur vs the rest of the year. Has nothing to do with whether playing things over a device turns it into kli shir (which he clearly says it doesn't earlier on the page). I was specifically responding to this point that you made - that all poskim hold playback on device = kli shir.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1928 on: May 07, 2020, 01:34:05 PM »
Just wanted to add that if someone is machmir all year round like the poskim who are very restrictive on music, I understand if they want to say stay away from all music entirely in sefira. But if you listen to anything and everything all year round, don't start pretending like the only shita that exists by sefira is the machmirim.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1929 on: May 07, 2020, 02:53:20 PM »
Just wanted to add that if someone is machmir all year round like the poskim who are very restrictive on music, I understand if they want to say stay away from all music entirely in sefira. But if you listen to anything and everything all year round, don't start pretending like the only shita that exists by sefira is the machmirim.
Thats where i am coming from....
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1930 on: May 07, 2020, 03:12:12 PM »
New good acapella single:
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1931 on: May 07, 2020, 03:15:41 PM »
New great acapella
https://youtu.be/gkXfjpM1jqc

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1932 on: May 07, 2020, 05:08:29 PM »
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1933 on: May 07, 2020, 07:36:02 PM »
great acapella
seeing those two words together feels so wrong.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1934 on: May 07, 2020, 08:37:00 PM »
seeing those two words together feels so wrong.

This should be our biggest issue.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1935 on: May 07, 2020, 10:11:32 PM »
great acapella
seeing those two words together feels so wrong.
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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1936 on: May 07, 2020, 11:11:58 PM »


Lol, thats why i posted a link to a song that i actually enjoy.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1937 on: May 07, 2020, 11:13:07 PM »
@Yehuda57 

Not exactly sure which post you are pinging me for, but if anything it should be for the one after yours

seeing those two words together feels so wrong.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1938 on: May 07, 2020, 11:16:47 PM »
I'm not. I just wish he did a better job imitating instruments. AKA Pella and Six13 are still the gold standards, IMHO.

Point taken. I seem to have focused my attention on the electronic-sounding stuff and percussion that sounded exactly like music and totally overlooked the imitation of instruments that is quite obviously vocals trying to imitate instruments.

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Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
« Reply #1939 on: May 07, 2020, 11:18:11 PM »
Not exactly sure which post you are pinging me for, but if anything it should be for the one after yours
Thinking the one right before his

I'm assuming he meant this
https://youtu.be/RVKoNZloRvQ

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