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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #880 on: May 21, 2023, 12:27:04 AM »
point by point- it’s true that it would be a “set and forget” investment but to a 14 year old $1200 is a lot of money and it will always be there somewhere in the back of his head.          My point of living below your means had absolutely nothing to do with your financial situation rather it was an answer to the (hypothetical) challenge that it is important to teach a 14 year old about investing to teach him responsibility, to that I was arguing that the most important and effective lesson you can teach your child is by living below your financial ability. My point of working was that once someone is “working” as apposed to “learning” and is very much exposed to the financial world at large, they certainly should be exposed to investing and taught the ropes of the equity market. As to your last point, of course seeing money “just sitting around “ is certainly hard and perhaps you should invest it without telling your child (and guarantee the principal, of course) I was simply pointing out that in my (not so) humble opinion it is far more valuable to retain the disconnect from the financial world rather than make a potential 5-8% average profit on the $1200
I don't think that he will be always thinking about the money if it is in a cd or etf anymore than if now when it is in a savings account
I wholeheartedly agree with you that living below your means and pointing out how you are doing it to and what the benefit is to your children is the best way to teach fiscal responsibility but I disagree that you need to wait until you are "working" to learn about investing or be exposed to the financial world I think that every age should have some exposure to learning about finances   
I would never invest it without his knowledge and authorization. It is his money and when he tells me he wants to use it then I access it for him. I would point out the options to him and let him decide- I was asking for options to present to him.

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #881 on: May 23, 2023, 03:10:51 PM »
1 month treasury yielding 6.12%

(This is because of the risk of the government defaulting)

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #882 on: May 23, 2023, 03:57:59 PM »
If the government defaults, does that mean we lose our money in treasury bonds?

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #883 on: May 23, 2023, 04:35:14 PM »
If the government defaults, does that mean we lose our money in treasury bonds?
dont think so but your money maybe stuck till a deal is reached.

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #884 on: May 24, 2023, 01:26:21 PM »
1 month treasury yielding 6.12%

(This is because of the risk of the government defaulting)
these monthly notes give you the amount on the month, or is it assuming you do it each month and is divided by the year?
in other words, if I were to theoretically buy and then sell each month a $100 note at about 5%, for 12 months in a row, what would the yearly gain be?

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #885 on: May 24, 2023, 01:28:43 PM »
1 month treasury yielding 6.12%

(This is because of the risk of the government defaulting)

Checked this morning secondary market on Fidelity. Anything maturing by 6/15 had a yield of over 6%
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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #886 on: May 24, 2023, 01:29:22 PM »
these monthly notes give you the amount on the month, or is it assuming you do it each month and is divided by the year?
in other words, if I were to theoretically buy and then sell each month a $100 note at about 5%, for 12 months in a row, what would the yearly gain be?

 About 5%

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #887 on: May 24, 2023, 01:54:25 PM »
Checked this morning secondary market on Fidelity. Anything maturing by 6/15 had a yield of over 6%

Do new issue bonds also have over 6%? I wasn't able to find - although I've never bought treasury bonds through my brokerage account before.

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #888 on: May 24, 2023, 02:22:22 PM »
Do new issue bonds also have over 6%? I wasn't able to find - although I've never bought treasury bonds through my brokerage account before.

IINM the auction for the 4-week bills is tomorrow. It is a reopening of previously issued treasuries, so there's an active secondary market. Here's what Schwab is currently showing as the depth of book (I am only posting the ASK price, as that is what you will buy at on the secondary market).


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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #889 on: May 24, 2023, 04:50:16 PM »
Fidelity secondary treasury market now short term bills yielding over 6% (obviously all due to debt ceiling impasse).

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #890 on: May 24, 2023, 05:16:48 PM »
Fidelity secondary treasury market now short term bills yielding over 6% (obviously all due to debt ceiling impasse).


lets say the US defaults - Why are short term t bills less wanted as opposed to a 6 month bill - because there will be a delay in getting paid? Meaning are you at risk of never getting paid as opposed to a 6 month t bill where you will see the money ?

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #891 on: May 24, 2023, 05:28:51 PM »
lets say the US defaults - Why are short term t bills less wanted as opposed to a 6 month bill - because there will be a delay in getting paid? Meaning are you at risk of never getting paid as opposed to a 6 month t bill where you will see the money ?

If I understand correctly, the reason bills maturing before 6/15 are yielding over 6% is due to a perceived risk of default that could delay payout. As for the longer term - just look at the yield curve, it's almost entirely inverted! The reason is that the Fed is determined to raise (or keep rates elevated) until something BREAKS. And once that happens the recession becomes evident (which is expected to lead to lower rates in the future).

https://www.ustreasuryyieldcurve.com/


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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #892 on: May 24, 2023, 05:41:18 PM »
these monthly notes give you the amount on the month, or is it assuming you do it each month and is divided by the year?
in other words, if I were to theoretically buy and then sell each month a $100 note at about 5%, for 12 months in a row, what would the yearly gain be?
keep in mind if you are comparing to cd rates etc. I believe t bills that are purchased from the treasury you don't pay state tax.

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #893 on: May 24, 2023, 06:27:31 PM »
these monthly notes give you the amount on the month, or is it assuming you do it each month and is divided by the year?
in other words, if I were to theoretically buy and then sell each month a $100 note at about 5%, for 12 months in a row, what would the yearly gain be?

To put things into perspective, if you buy treasuries maturing on 6/1 you will make $1.33 over 1 week for every $998.67 invested. That translates to an APY of over 6.8%.

What will you do with the $1,000 you get on 6/1 is a new question, but for that 1 week, you made over 6.8% annualized yield.

If the alternative is a Money Market fund yielding 5% then as long as there are no hiccups in getting your money on 6/1 it sounds like a better alternative.
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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #894 on: May 25, 2023, 08:31:39 AM »
Thanks for clarifying. So I guess other than potential tax benefits, I don't see it being worth the hassle

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #895 on: June 01, 2023, 02:18:59 PM »
Looking to put money in a money market account such as SNOXX. Is there any difference what time of month I put my money in? Historically, are there better returns depending on what time of month I put in?

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #896 on: June 01, 2023, 02:23:22 PM »
Looking to put money in a money market account such as SNOXX. Is there any difference what time of month I put my money in? Historically, are there better returns depending on what time of month I put in?
Yes, time your buy around yk https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sell-rosh-hashana-buy-yom-kippur-why-some-traders-put-stock-in-this-strategy-11600447900

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #897 on: June 01, 2023, 03:36:17 PM »
Lol, great article. What I meant with the question is that since it is a money market account maybe the t bills are maturing at specific times of the month. Therefore, if I would buy right before they mature, I would gain from that.

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #898 on: June 12, 2023, 11:53:51 AM »
Probably a silly question: When and how does interest get paid on I Series Bonds? I purchased $10k in April and don't see any interest in my account on TreasuryDirect. Am i missing something?
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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #899 on: June 12, 2023, 12:17:44 PM »
Probably a silly question: When and how does interest get paid on I Series Bonds? I purchased $10k in April and don't see any interest in my account on TreasuryDirect. Am i missing something?
They hold the first 3 months. You should see it retroactively in August/Sept