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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1820 on: September 29, 2023, 02:32:10 AM »
thats a hard statement for me to understand. not to bash, but if someone did such a big aveira against the public, how can there ever be a complete teshuva? same question w nevuzraden (could be im mixing it uo w someone else). he was megayer and did teshuva. but how could he have done teshuva if he killed a tremendous amount of ppl? how can you do teshuva for killing ppl? there is no mechila...
We simply don’t know the mitigating factors that play out up there in deciding a persons culpability, nor do we we know the metrics used. For all we know someone who was medakdek in all the chumrahs in kashrus and even saved the public by exposing mass kashrus fraud yet was a בעל לשון הרע ומחלוקת will come up there to find himself looking longingly at the relatively lofty level of the one who fed people treif, even before factoring in teshuva.

Not everyone even has the same level of bechira to begin with as the מכתב מאליהו and others point out. One person brought up as an uncouth am haaretz placed in communist Russia may be faced with the נסיון not to pickpocket,  while the idea of sitting in front of a sefer is not even part of his bechira. Another born to a family in בני ברק has zero temptation to pickpocket and therefore zero reward for not doing so- his nisayon may be refraining from batteling for 15 minutes a day while learning. The same goes for life circumstances and stresses that impact a persons נקודת הבחירה. It’s easy for us to condemn without really knowing exactly what what expected of him at that moment.

According to one opinion in the Gemara דוד המלך and to a certain extent the דור המדבר were actually handed a נסיון they were never intended to overcome. They were meant to show the power of teshuva to the world.

There are just so many factors and חשבונות that teshuva is not always a simple equation that we can calculate. only Hashem himself knows where one is holding and what effect his Teshuva has.

Then there is the public humiliation and בושה which can have an incredible affect on one’s slate up there. Chazal tell us כל העושה דבר עבירה ומתבייש בה מוחלין לו על כל על כל עונותיו.

In short there is no way for us to know.
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1821 on: September 29, 2023, 09:23:58 AM »
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1822 on: September 29, 2023, 09:40:20 AM »
Snape strikes again
Should be in the Mazal tov thread but at the same time
Ginny Weasley Potter had a baby
https://twitter.com/MetroUK/status/1707304211296264640

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1823 on: September 29, 2023, 09:44:26 AM »
Should be in the Mazal tov thread but at the same time
Ginny Weasley Potter had a baby
https://twitter.com/MetroUK/status/1707304211296264640

Obviously hashgacha pratis, now they can name the baby Albus Severus Potter even if they aren't sefardi.
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1824 on: September 29, 2023, 10:18:10 AM »

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1825 on: September 29, 2023, 10:27:30 AM »

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1826 on: September 29, 2023, 10:42:01 AM »
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1827 on: September 29, 2023, 10:45:33 AM »
Obviously hashgacha pratis, now they can name the baby Albus Severus Potter even if they aren't sefardi.

I never read or watched any Harry Potter, but I think I am getting the gist of what you're saying.
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1828 on: September 29, 2023, 10:49:17 AM »
Obviously hashgacha pratis, now they can name the baby Albus Severus Potter even if they aren't sefardi.
This is an excellent chap although probably not the right thread.
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1829 on: September 29, 2023, 11:06:39 AM »
thats a hard statement for me to understand. not to bash, but if someone did such a big aveira against the public, how can there ever be a complete teshuva? same question w nevuzraden (could be im mixing it uo w someone else). he was megayer and did teshuva. but how could he have done teshuva if he killed a tremendous amount of ppl? how can you do teshuva for killing ppl? there is no mechila...
Someone who killed has sinned against Hashem and the victim.  But Hashem had a cheshbon for that person's death.  So Hashem can grand mechila. 
I think someone who's machati es harabim has a hard time getting mechila. Is there any way to get each of the people he caused to sin to do teshuva?
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1830 on: September 29, 2023, 12:20:53 PM »
Someone who killed has sinned against Hashem and the victim.  But Hashem had a cheshbon for that person's death.  So Hashem can grand mechila. 
I think someone who's machati es harabim has a hard time getting mechila. Is there any way to get each of the people he caused to sin to do teshuva?
Did everyone sin and do they need teshuva? They followed the torah and relied on an eid echad, he takes all the blame and need for teshuva.
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1831 on: September 29, 2023, 12:37:23 PM »
Let's gossip away. We have almost 13 months to do our own teshuva. Or so we hope. After all, we're all tzadikkim gemurim. Never hurt another person. And def not somebody who's not alive anymore.

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1832 on: September 29, 2023, 01:05:07 PM »
Did everyone sin and do they need teshuva? They followed the torah and relied on an eid echad, he takes all the blame and need for teshuva.
According to many it is an eivarah beshogeg

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1833 on: September 29, 2023, 01:12:17 PM »
Let's gossip away. We have almost 13 months to do our own teshuva. Or so we hope. After all, we're all tzadikkim gemurim. Never hurt another person. And def not somebody who's not alive anymore.
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1834 on: October 01, 2023, 07:50:27 PM »
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1835 on: October 05, 2023, 07:06:30 PM »
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1836 on: October 26, 2023, 01:37:53 AM »
הגאון הגדול רבי ברוך מרדכי אזרחי זצ״ל

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1837 on: October 26, 2023, 06:17:44 AM »
הגאון הגדול רבי ברוך מרדכי אזרחי זצ״ל

BDE!
I can’t imagine they’ll be able to have a big Levaya due to the security situation.

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1838 on: October 26, 2023, 07:52:42 AM »
BDE!
I can’t imagine they’ll be able to have a big Levaya due to the security situation.
His Levaya will take place on Friday going to Har Hazeitim…
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #1839 on: October 27, 2023, 09:49:43 AM »
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