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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #210 on: December 12, 2017, 01:50:12 PM »
What does it say?
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• I ask that there are no hespedim, not before me or any atzeres or gathering of any kind.
• No major writeups in newspapers – not daily weekly or others. My photo is sufficient and not writing as is customary for others. Ten persons at the levaya is sufficient.
• Do not print pashkavilim, don’t make announcements via loudspeakers or radio.
• Make an effort to bury me quickly and prevent delay between my petira and kvura.
• Do not write any titles on the tombstone other than פה נקבר רב אהרון יהודא לייב בן רב נח צבי שטיינמן’
• My burial place should be the simplest, least expensive. Do not waste money on a burial site.
• As the minhag is to visit the kever at the end of shiva and shloshim, not to waste more than necessary for it is better giving money for limud and for certain, not on ‘devarim beteilim’.
• If seeking a place to daven before the amud results in too much time, it is preferred to engage in limud torah l’shem shomayim.
• Anyone seeking to assist me (it is for us in essence), lean a chapter of mishnayos daily until the end of the 12 months. Women can recite 10 chapters of Tehillim daily, including Shabbos and Yomtov.
• I request not to remember (Refer) to me as a tzaddik or a Yirei Shomayim so I am not insulted in the Olam HaEmmes.
• I ask mechila if I offended anyone and if there is anyone I owe money to, and in reality, he will not collect even though he has the right ‘al pi din’, please be moichel me.
• My children should not follow the aron for kvura as is minhag Yerushalayim.
• Do not name children after me but do not prevent it either
• If you wish, give money to tzedaka instead of a tombstone, to give but not to buy.
• (Last addition) Since many err, I am advising not to name children after me but I do not forbid it.

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #211 on: December 13, 2017, 09:13:13 PM »

There's a slight mistransalation in the last item of the tzavaah, in Hebrew it says "הרבה טועים בי" which means many err in me, meaning they think I'm a Tzadik, and am worthy of being named after.

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #212 on: December 13, 2017, 09:14:30 PM »

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #213 on: December 13, 2017, 10:21:09 PM »

Wow!!! He held himself back from calling the guy who was pressing him a Baal Gaaveh too. The guy wasnt getting the answer he wanted so he pressed and pressed. Why couldnt he be honest and say, "This is what i need to hear, whether you agree or not".
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #214 on: December 13, 2017, 10:27:56 PM »
Wow!!! He held himself back from calling the guy who was pressing him a Baal Gaaveh too. The guy wasnt getting the answer he wanted so he pressed and pressed. Why couldnt he be honest and say, "This is what i need to hear, whether you agree or not".
Many people misunderstand this, I also did till I found out the context. The guy pressing him was playing devil's advocate in order to get a good reaction for the camera. He was very close to Rav Aharon Leib, he founded tens of Kollelim, he's a big personality, and was "raitzing un the matzav"

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #215 on: December 13, 2017, 10:37:45 PM »
Many people misunderstand this, I also did till I found out the context. The guy pressing him was playing devil's advocate in order to get a good reaction for the camera. He was very close to Rav Aharon Leib, he founded tens of Kollelim, he's a big personality, and was "raitzing un the matzav"
Spoken like a true child. Thats normal? Play a Gadol Hador for the cameras? Playing devil's advocate is how we end up with piskei halacha in the name of gedolim that were never their intentions. This video if taken out of context can be seen for the and of the following and more:
1. The Rosh Yeshiva called someone a meshugener.
2. The Rosh Yeshiva called a certain yeshiva communist.
3. The Rosh Yeshiva told someone to send kids to the moon.

I mean come on. There is so much wrong with this. It is a good window into seeing how people can drive gedolei yisroel crazy with hypotheticals and "what ifs" to get the result they seek. in this case baby shtick of "raitzing un the matzav"...

Maybe straighten out those earmuffs and have your hearing checked.
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #216 on: December 13, 2017, 10:50:27 PM »
Spoken like a true child. Thats normal? Play a Gadol Hador for the cameras? Playing devil's advocate is how we end up with piskei halacha in the name of gedolim that were never their intentions. This video if taken out of context can be seen for the and of the following and more:
1. The Rosh Yeshiva called someone a meshugener.
2. The Rosh Yeshiva called a certain yeshiva communist.
3. The Rosh Yeshiva told someone to send kids to the moon.

I mean come on. There is so much wrong with this. It is a good window into seeing how people can drive gedolei yisroel crazy with hypotheticals and "what ifs" to get the result they seek. in this case baby shtick of "raitzing un the matzav"...

Maybe straighten out those earmuffs and have your hearing checked.
Sorry for "raitzing you un" to a point that you had to name call, and talk down at me. I'll respond when you cool down.

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #217 on: December 13, 2017, 10:55:20 PM »
Sorry for "raitzing you un" to a point that you had to name call, and talk down at me. I'll respond when you cool down.
Fickle, thin-skinned child. How's that for name calling. No one needs your response. Like no one needed to see that crappy video of some hoo-ha earmuff wearing dope playing childish games with a 100 year old man for his own gratification, let alone the gadol hador.

There, its out of my system.
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #218 on: December 13, 2017, 10:56:37 PM »

There, its out of my system.
Does that mean you cooled down?  :)

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #219 on: December 13, 2017, 10:59:03 PM »
To paraphrase Rav Shteinman, the reason why you responded that way, has nothing to do with anything but "GAAVAH, GAAVAH, GAAVAH!

Have some anivus and talk with respect to people.

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #220 on: December 13, 2017, 11:03:04 PM »
Now for the response:

I wan't defending the totality of the questioners actions, I was just saying that he himself didn't believe what he was saying, Rav Aharon Leib knew that (he knew him very well), and therefore wasn't screaming at him, but at the people that sent him to ask the question.

I was just clarifying that point.

Is he right for every other part of what he did, I think you make a great case about that.
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #221 on: December 13, 2017, 11:03:36 PM »
To paraphrase Rav Shteinman, the reason why you responded that way, has nothing to do with anything but "GAAVAH, GAAVAH, GAAVAH!

Have some anivus and talk with respect to people.
...said the person who thinks that that is the only thing to be taken from that video. Im sorry youre so sensitive. Grow some thicker skin.
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #222 on: December 13, 2017, 11:06:25 PM »
...said the person who thinks that that is the only thing to be taken from that video. Im sorry youre so sensitive. Grow some thicker skin.
I'm not sensitive. I think the way you responded was wrong, and called you out on it.

BTW, from the bullet points you wrote above, it is obvious that you misunderstood much of what Rav Aharon Leib said.

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #223 on: December 13, 2017, 11:10:57 PM »
I'm not sensitive. I think the way you responded was wrong, and called you out on it.

BTW, from the bullet points you wrote above, it is obvious that you misunderstood much of what Rav Aharon Leib said.
Taken out of context thats what he said. Cut up the video into smaller soundbites see hownit sounds.
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