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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #360 on: March 27, 2018, 06:33:48 PM »
From a non PC standpoint,  are African Americans really better off since desegregation? I see a system that is failing them as a whole, particularly the public education system .....
The public education system fails most, even Jews. That is from a non-PC viewpoint.  ;)
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #361 on: March 27, 2018, 06:34:41 PM »
From a non PC standpoint,  are African Americans really better off since desegregation? I see a system that is failing them as a whole, particularly the public education system .....
Did you see what it was before?
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #362 on: March 27, 2018, 06:36:39 PM »
Did you see what it was before?
Even I wasn't born then.  :)
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #363 on: March 27, 2018, 06:37:18 PM »
Even I wasn't born then.  :)
That was a rhetorical question
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #364 on: March 27, 2018, 06:52:06 PM »
At least anecdotally it would seem that the average black male is being failed abysmally by the current system. Many are barely literate, lack even basic skills, and are de facto consigned to a life of public assistance/ and or crime. If would seem that prior to 1953 they were more productive, and less apt to enter the vicious cycle of crime and incarceration. Thee is no question that minorities were mistreated in many ways, but it’s likely that the liberal policy’s of the last half century have unwittingly harmed the African American community perhaps as badly or worse that the treatment they suffered under segregation....

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #365 on: March 27, 2018, 06:58:13 PM »
At least anecdotally it would seem that the average black male is being failed abysmally by the current system. Many are barely literate, lack even basic skills, and are de facto consigned to a life of public assistance/ and or crime. If would seem that prior to 1953 they were more productive, and less apt to enter the vicious cycle of crime and incarceration. Thee is no question that minorities were mistreated in many ways, but it’s likely that the liberal policy’s of the last half century have unwittingly harmed the African American community perhaps as badly or worse that the treatment they suffered under segregation....

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #366 on: March 27, 2018, 07:02:08 PM »
At least anecdotally it would seem that the average black male is being failed abysmally by the current system. Many are barely literate, lack even basic skills, and are de facto consigned to a life of public assistance/ and or crime. If would seem that prior to 1953 they were more productive, and less apt to enter the vicious cycle of crime and incarceration. Thee is no question that minorities were mistreated in many ways, but it’s likely that the liberal policy’s of the last half century have unwittingly harmed the African American community perhaps as badly or worse that the treatment they suffered under segregation....
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #368 on: March 27, 2018, 07:38:39 PM »
http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/11/25/5-special-things-black-people-lost-when-schools-were-integrated-after-brown-v-board-of-education-decision/4/

“Brown’s most profound irony may be that answers to closing the achievement gap lie buried in the history of the schools that Brown’s implementation destroyed. What are the answers? Dedicated teachers. Strong principals. Order. Discipline. High expectations. Community and parental support. It is astonishing how many Black children attended schools during segregation that delivered on these objectives, and how few do so now.”


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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #369 on: March 27, 2018, 09:26:42 PM »
http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/11/25/5-special-things-black-people-lost-when-schools-were-integrated-after-brown-v-board-of-education-decision/4/

“Brown’s most profound irony may be that answers to closing the achievement gap lie buried in the history of the schools that Brown’s implementation destroyed. What are the answers? Dedicated teachers. Strong principals. Order. Discipline. High expectations. Community and parental support. It is astonishing how many Black children attended schools during segregation that delivered on these objectives, and how few do so now.”
But that's the problem with public schools and society as a whole, it has nothing to do with being black, just that there may be less dedicated teachers in predominantly black neighborhoods for whatever reason?

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #370 on: March 27, 2018, 10:20:16 PM »
But that's the problem with public schools and society as a whole, it has nothing to do with being black, just that there may be less dedicated teachers in predominantly black neighborhoods for whatever reason?

No, it has to do with the closing of black schools due to desegregation , and the fact that blacks are now overwhelmingly taught by white teachers who don’t relate to them and have changed the whole dynamic of black education. It’s not PC, and liberals will say it’s all worth it to fight the scourge of racism ( the same way they’ll throw $25,000 at a failing public school but won’t even consider  a charter school system despite a successful track record) but it’s the truth. To quote the above articles:

“This lack of black educators has meant that black students are less valued in general. White teachers, typically women, who are educated in white neighborhoods and white universities, make up the majority of educators in minority classrooms. Many are fantastic, quality teachers and a gift to all students. But many are ill-equipped to meet the educational needs of black students. And studies indicate that they treat black children differently.

A 2012 study from the American Sociological Association found, “Substantial scholarly evidence indicates that teachers—especially white teachers—evaluate black students’ behavior and academic potential more negatively than those of white students.” Another longitudinal study shows that teacher expectations account for 42 percent of the difference between white and African-American students’ realization of their potential.”

“As Black children were put into an environment perceived as controlled by whites, the phenomenon of young Black kids equating academic excellence with “acting white” arose. In the Black schools, Black students largely cheered their classmates for achievements. But after desegregation created a clear division of white and Black, the association shifted and Black students began to tease one another by pushing their smart peers into the ‘white’ category. Ever since then, we have seen that Black kids tended to perform more poorly when mixed with whites.”

And of course, the education system directly relates to poverty, crime, public assistance, etc. When I see the way the average urban black male is trapped in a desperate existence with no future, a shortened life expectancy due to violence and substance abuse, a father figure that is usually MIA, or at least incarcerated, and a PC public policy and public assistance system that enables and perpetuates this hell on earth, it’s clear that despite ostensibly good intentions, these activists and policy makers are guilty of gross abuse, or at the very least, wanton neglect of a whole class of people who deserve much better.....


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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #371 on: March 28, 2018, 12:30:18 AM »
Thank you it does make more sense now, though the core problem still is that expectations are set too low, and there isn't this honest-to-the-bone drive for hard work, and for achievement.

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #372 on: March 28, 2018, 02:04:23 AM »
The public education system fails most, even Jews. That is from a non-PC viewpoint.  ;)
Which is why we don't use it for the most part.

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #373 on: April 02, 2018, 02:40:22 PM »
Winnie Madikizela-Mandela, South Africa’s ‘Mother of the Nation,’ dies at 81
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #374 on: April 02, 2018, 02:46:38 PM »
Winnie Madikizela-Mandela, South Africa’s ‘Mother of the Nation,’ dies at 81
Whatever......

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #375 on: April 02, 2018, 02:56:20 PM »
Winnie Madikizela-Mandela, South Africa’s ‘Mother of the Nation,’ dies at 81
Why are people saying they hope her victims are waiting for her up there ?

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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #376 on: April 02, 2018, 03:05:34 PM »
Why are people saying they hope her victims are waiting for her up there ?
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
« Reply #379 on: April 04, 2018, 07:02:28 AM »
50 years ago today we lost the greatest civil rights leader we have ever seen.

Martin Luther King Jr.

Known best for his advancement of civil rights with non-violent civil disobedience movement, Martin Luther King, Jr. was an African-American clergyman at Dexter Avenue Baptist Church in Montgomery, Alabama. His way as the most famous civil rights movement activist started with the Montgomery Bus Boycott. In his career he delivered powerful speeches promoting desegregation and peace. King’s most famous speech is “I have a Dream” delivered during the March on Washington. Martin Luther King Jr. won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1968.
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