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Re: ALASKA is shutting down your accounts and taking away points!
« Reply #270 on: June 23, 2015, 07:04:47 PM »
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Re: ALASKA is shutting down your accounts and taking away points!
« Reply #271 on: June 23, 2015, 07:09:02 PM »
Award reimbursement rates are well under 1cpm.

Your statement is very general, which gives the wrong impression.
Chase doesn't share the same contract with Chase as Amex does with Delta.

If you know the contract terms of BofA with AS (and I believe you do - otherwise you would've never posted that comment in this thread), you should say 'Award reimbursement rates from BofA to AS are well under 1cpm."
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Re: ALASKA is shutting down your accounts and taking away points!
« Reply #272 on: June 23, 2015, 07:12:32 PM »
Wow this is a worst nightmare scenario-getting a rep who's a churner and reads FT.
I just want to point out that this self righteousness is way over the top. What many don't seem to understand is that AS or BofA is not your chavrusa in yeshiva. As much as you try to reason why churning 10 cards at a time is "legal" they're not going to like it and they have every right to react the way they did. Keep in mind just like you say it's "legal" for you to do what you did they say it's "legal" for them to close your account down on whim (which is true).
Please stop making it sound like these evil monsters are stealing the miles out of our mouths. They're simply waking up to bad business practices they have allowed until now.

PS. No offense meant and I'm not referring to anyone in particular. I'm also upset they're waking up but they have every right to do what they're doing.

Who's being self-righteous?

Your post evidences the fact that you've missed the point.

Unless there is some unique relationship between BoA and AS whereby AS somehow, oddly, does not get paid by BoA for the miles awarded from signing up for and using the AS CC, how would YOU feel if I bought you a Yankees ticket because due to losing a bet with you you that the weather would reach 90 degrees today, and then the Yankees denied you entry because they don't like that the ticket was bought because it was as a result of a bet, on baseball or otherwise?

I think you'd be singing a different tune... a tune some might say resembles self-righteousness.
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Re: ALASKA is shutting down your accounts and taking away points!
« Reply #273 on: June 23, 2015, 07:16:38 PM »
Who's being self-righteous?

Your post evidences the fact that you've missed the point.

Unless there is some unique relationship between BoA and AS whereby AS somehow, oddly, does not get paid by BoA for the miles awarded from signing up for and using the AS CC, how would YOU feel if I bought a you a Yankees ticket because I lost a bet with you that the weather would reach 90 degrees today, and then the Yankees denied you entry because they don't condone betting, on baseball or otherwise?

I think you'd be singing a different tune... a tune some might say resembles self-righteousness.
Sorry it's you who missed the point. You're again expounding on the technicalities of what was done and it's all irrelevant. Put your calculations of "who's paying who how much for what" aside because that won't get anyone anywhere. Here's what is relevant:
Churning on a large scale is not good for AS (and/or BofA) business.
Period. That's all that matters. You're bad for their bottom line, they're legally allowed to shut you down, so they did just that (by you I mean whoever). Case closed.

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Re: ALASKA is shutting down your accounts and taking away points!
« Reply #274 on: June 23, 2015, 07:19:59 PM »
Churning on a large scale is not good for AS (and/or BofA) business.
Period. That's all that matters. You're bad for their bottom line, they're legally allowed to shut you down, so they did just that (by you I mean whoever). Case closed.
First part you are correct. Second part I am not so sure.
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Re: ALASKA is shutting down your accounts and taking away points!
« Reply #275 on: June 23, 2015, 07:21:06 PM »
Your statement is very general, which gives the wrong impression.
Chase doesn't share the same contract with Chase as Amex does with Delta.

If you know the contract terms of BofA with AS (and I believe you do - otherwise you would've never posted that comment in this thread), you should say 'Award reimbursement rates from BofA to AS are well under 1cpm."
Was referring to the claim that AS pays EK 5K, 10K or 15K.
$500 is far, far more likely than those.
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Re: ALASKA is shutting down your accounts and taking away points!
« Reply #276 on: June 23, 2015, 07:24:16 PM »
First part you are correct. Second part I am not so sure.
What do you mean? What don't you like about the second part?

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Re: ALASKA is shutting down your accounts and taking away points!
« Reply #277 on: June 23, 2015, 07:24:41 PM »

AS rep - "Your account was shut down because you canceled the cc's from BofA, and you purchased a flight using the miles. So your account balance is now currently negative 20k, the only way to open your account is by purchasing 20k miles"


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Don't understand why the negative 20k, should be 90k for the EK F.

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Re: ALASKA is shutting down your accounts and taking away points!
« Reply #278 on: June 23, 2015, 07:27:21 PM »
What do you mean? What don't you like about the second part?
They can't just shutdown an account with miles in it on a whim.
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Re: ALASKA is shutting down your accounts and taking away points!
« Reply #279 on: June 23, 2015, 07:27:41 PM »
Sorry it's you who missed the point. You're again expounding on the technicalities of what was done and it's all irrelevant. Put your calculations of "who's paying who how much for what" aside because that won't get anyone anywhere. Here's what is relevant:
Churning on a large scale is not good for AS (and/or BofA) business.
Period. That's all that matters. You're bad for their bottom line, they're legally allowed to shut you down, so they did just that (by you I mean whoever). Case closed.

You say technicality, I say meaningful distinction.

Setting aside the fact that these T&C are contracts of adhesion, I for one would find it disturbing that AS is, with one hand, collecting money from BoA for purchased miles, while, with the other hand, confiscating those purchased miles once earned because of a vague and alleged breach of the terms. (Which terms? Well, even their own don't seem to include provisions for this, and it's even much more preposterous if they're confiscating them based on the BoA terms.)

And, further, if in fact BoA pays AS for the miles earned from the AS card, then I fail to see why there would be any material loss on the part of BA that would make it bad for business. FTR, only some very, very small fraction of awards are even booked on partners, let alone booked in a premium cabin on EK.
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Re: ALASKA is shutting down your accounts and taking away points!
« Reply #280 on: June 23, 2015, 07:31:26 PM »
Sorry it's you who missed the point. You're again expounding on the technicalities of what was done and it's all irrelevant. Put your calculations of "who's paying who how much for what" aside because that won't get anyone anywhere. Here's what is relevant:
Churning on a large scale is not good for AS (and/or BofA) business.
Period. That's all that matters. You're bad for their bottom line, they're legally allowed to shut you down, so they did just that (by you I mean whoever). Case closed.

So, because they're legally allowed--allegedly--to do something (through ridiculous contracts of adhesion) means that those people who have had miles confiscated should not feel aggrieved that the miles were confiscated, no matter the reason.

Got it.
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Re: ALASKA is shutting down your accounts and taking away points!
« Reply #281 on: June 23, 2015, 07:33:25 PM »
They feel they can do anything because the supreme court pretty much made them feel that way.
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Re: ALASKA is shutting down your accounts and taking away points!
« Reply #282 on: June 23, 2015, 07:35:24 PM »
They feel they can do anything because the supreme court pretty much made them feel that way.

Yep. But the point I was making is that it's pretty ballsy to come in here and call everyone who lost miles self-righteous for feeling aggrieved because AS is not our "yeshiva chavrusah."

OP would certainly not cry foul if next time he wore a red shirt, AS closed his account because, well, "Delta has a red logo and we feel you're standing with them in solidarity. Goodbye."

Righto.
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Re: ALASKA is shutting down your accounts and taking away points!
« Reply #283 on: June 23, 2015, 07:36:24 PM »
Award reimbursement rates are well under 1cpm.

They usually are not based on amount of points required.

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Re: ALASKA is shutting down your accounts and taking away points!
« Reply #284 on: June 23, 2015, 07:36:44 PM »
I guess the real question is does BOFA do a clawback if the account is closed before x days? Or before the annual fee is paid?
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