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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #180 on: December 19, 2021, 05:59:27 PM »
Playing devil's advocate: they're admitting that they're unable to give the same level of education in the inner city and therefore need to lower the standards of testing. It's more of a commentary on the school system, rather than the pupils.

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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #181 on: December 19, 2021, 06:01:30 PM »
And therefore?
Getting rid of what they feel are racist testing is not racist. Thats a pretty hard u-turn you are taking.
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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #182 on: December 19, 2021, 06:02:11 PM »
Playing devil's advocate: they're admitting that they're unable to give the same level of education in the inner city and therefore need to lower the standards of testing. It's more of a commentary on the school system, rather than the pupils.
The response would be they are using different standards.
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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #183 on: December 19, 2021, 06:04:36 PM »
Look I already said this is nuts but trying to push the racist angle is also nuts.
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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #184 on: December 19, 2021, 06:05:12 PM »
Getting rid of what they feel are racist testing is not racist. Thats a pretty hard u-turn you are taking.
Their being racist is not a new thing.
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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #185 on: December 19, 2021, 06:05:52 PM »
Look I already said this is nuts but trying to push the racist angle is also nuts.
So what is nuts about it?
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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #186 on: December 19, 2021, 06:08:58 PM »
So what is nuts about it?
You just don't do away with testing, you change it.
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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #187 on: December 19, 2021, 06:10:33 PM »
You just don't do away with testing, you change it.
Only if you think there is a change that will resolve the issue.
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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #188 on: December 19, 2021, 06:13:58 PM »
Only if you think there is a change that will resolve the issue.
I think someone should read the bill and report back. The article may have it wrong.

(b) Notwithstanding paragraph (a) of this subsection, the State Board of Education may
not require a student who has successfully completed the credit requirements prescribed by
paragraph (a) of this subsection or by rule of the board to demonstrate proficiency in any
skill or academic content area.
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« Reply #189 on: December 19, 2021, 06:21:19 PM »
I think someone should read the bill and report back. The article may have it wrong.

(b) Notwithstanding paragraph (a) of this subsection, the State Board of Education may
not require a student who has successfully completed the credit requirements prescribed by
paragraph (a) of this subsection or by rule of the board to demonstrate proficiency in any
skill or academic content area.
Not sure what is making you think that
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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #190 on: December 19, 2021, 06:24:10 PM »
Not sure what is making you think that
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/oregon-graduation-proficiencies/
They removed the standardized testing but are still required to have the amount of credit hours to graduate.
Also this is for ALL students!
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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #191 on: December 19, 2021, 06:27:25 PM »
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/oregon-graduation-proficiencies/
They removed the standardized testing but are still required to have the amount of credit hours to graduate.
Also this is for ALL students!
Right so?
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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #192 on: December 19, 2021, 06:31:01 PM »
Right so?
Maybe this helps white students unless your view is students of color are stupid? The racism is for those who think this is racist.
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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #193 on: December 19, 2021, 06:35:02 PM »
Maybe this helps white students unless your view is students of color are stupid? The racism is for those who think this is racist.
Like this guy?

Though Brown was quiet about the bill, the governor’s deputy communications director, Charles Boyle, told the Oregonian that suspending the reading, writing, and math proficiency requirements would benefit “students of color” while the state comes up with a new set of “equitable” graduation standards.

Until then, the suspension will apparently help those who are “Black, Latino, Latina, Latinx, Indigenous, Asian, Pacific Islander, [or] Tribal.”

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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #194 on: December 19, 2021, 06:48:36 PM »
Like this guy?

Though Brown was quiet about the bill, the governor’s deputy communications director, Charles Boyle, told the Oregonian that suspending the reading, writing, and math proficiency requirements would benefit “students of color” while the state comes up with a new set of “equitable” graduation standards.

Until then, the suspension will apparently help those who are “Black, Latino, Latina, Latinx, Indigenous, Asian, Pacific Islander, [or] Tribal.”
I already been burned once by taking the article at face value and won't do that again.

You are the who feels it is racist. So, explain why.
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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #195 on: December 19, 2021, 08:43:29 PM »
I already been burned once by taking the article at face value and won't do that again.

You are the who feels it is racist. So, explain why.
He ms to feel that there is a need to modify the requirements to enable them to receive a diploma.
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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #196 on: December 19, 2021, 08:56:42 PM »
He ms to feel that there is a need to modify the requirements to enable them to receive a diploma.
I am asking why you feel it is racist?

His comments are not even complete or in context, so we are not going there.
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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #197 on: December 19, 2021, 09:41:36 PM »
I am asking why you feel it is racist?
If his belief is that removing testing is the best way to help students of color who fail disproportionately to now graduate, then it appears he believes that these students of color are less capable of achieving better marks and the best way to help them is simply to remove the measure. Presumably if he believed that they would be capable of improvement through intervention or other measures they would attempt that instead.

This possibly means that he believes
students of color are stupid
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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #198 on: December 19, 2021, 09:44:59 PM »
https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-change/new-from-nea/racist-beginnings-standardized-testing
Is this supposed to be a joke? This is likely the most illogical, poorly reasoned and unintelligible article I have ever read. The author doesn’t even attempt to explain what about standardized testing is racist and appears to base their entire theory on an outcome (a phenomenon which of course can be explained in many ways with testing bias being one of the least likely explanations).
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Re: DAOTYA/DACOTYA
« Reply #199 on: December 19, 2021, 09:46:57 PM »
Some in this thread commented in one way or another that this was racist. I am asking them why they feel this way but as always, your unsolicited input ( @S209 ) is welcome.
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