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[davidrotts63]

Many Rs believe that some of these are schemes to manipulate the vote fraudulently. I have not seen any evidence that they are correct about that, but the way some Ds have worked to prevent any way of finding such evidence on numerous occasions leads me to believe that there is some truth to it.

Or even before that, even if its not a scheme, if it's possible to turn them into a scheme, even if now its 100% innocent, it's not worth it.

[CountValentine]

I'm discussing these laws.
These laws are no help, and yes it should be easy to vote, but no ID is not the answer.

Just a quick Google search and this is part of it: States would be required to offer a minimum number of days of early voting and the ability to vote by mail for any reason.

I see nothing wrong with that and it is a good thing to make it easier for people to vote.

[aygart]

Please explain what "other" Americans he was talking about. Was it non-Hispanic whites, Hispanics, Asian's, Jews or some other group?

If we just look at non-Hispanic whites/blacks he is wrong.

Wow. A politician used  incorrect numbers. Who would have thought

[davidrotts63]

Just a quick Google search and this is part of it: States would be required to offer a minimum number of days of early voting and the ability to vote by mail for any reason.

I see nothing wrong with that and it is a good thing to make it easier for people to vote.

You need to look at the whole thing.

[CountValentine]

Many Rs believe that some of these are schemes to manipulate the vote fraudulently. I have not seen any evidence that they are correct about that, but the way some Ds have worked to prevent any way of finding such evidence on numerous occasions leads me to believe that there is some truth to it.

Just look at the last election. The courts made it clear there was no widespread fraud. Can we use SCOTUS as the arbitrator? 

[aygart]

Just a quick Google search and this is part of it: States would be required to offer a minimum number of days of early voting and the ability to vote by mail for any reason.

I see nothing wrong with that and it is a good thing to make it easier for people to vote.

A shame that it is all or nothing.

[CountValentine]

You need to look at the whole thing.

We are getting way OT. If you want to point out something bad in the bill, I will look at it.

[aygart]

Just look at the last election. The courts made it clear there was no widespread fraud. Can we use SCOTUS as the arbitrator? 

I agree that there is no evidence of fraud.

[CountValentine]

Wow. A politician used  incorrect numbers. Who would have thought

He is pretty good when coming to numbers. The same can be said the way he chooses his words.

[davidrotts63]

We are getting way OT. If you want to point out something bad in the bill, I will look at it.

You're right.
The topic was Mitch- do we agree his comment was a slip, and no racist?
Do we agree that Biden only considering a Black is Racist?

[CountValentine]

I agree that there is no evidence of fraud.

So I guess the R line is just because there is no evidence of fraud that does not mean there wasn't fraud?

[aygart]

So I guess the R line is just because there is no evidence of fraud that does not mean there wasn't fraud?

Correct. Especially if investigations are thwarted. My feeling is that there may be some truth in some cases but that it is not likely to be widespread. Even that is just a gut feeling with no factual basis at all.

[CountValentine]

You're right.
The topic was Mitch- do we agree his comment was a slip, and no racist?
Do we agree that Biden only considering a Black is Racist?

Trying to get a diverse view on the court is a good thing not racism.
If the outrage was also because he is excluding men, then it would carry weight.

[davidrotts63]

So I guess the R line is just because there is no evidence of fraud that does not mean there wasn't fraud?

I think it's possible, do you think its not?

[davidrotts63]

Trying to get a diverse view on the court is a good thing not racism.
If the outrage was also because he is excluding men, then it would carry weight.

It is, but from me personally it's not, because men and women offer a diversified POV, black and white people do not.

[CountValentine]

I think it's possible, do you think its not?

Yes it is possible but the overwhelming evidence says it didn't happen. Look at AZ that they made a big deal out of. Biden ended up with a few more votes after it was done. You don't hear a peep about that anymore. The fraud was on the R side trying to submit fraudulent electors to be certified by Pence.

[aygart]

It is, but from me personally it's not, because men and women offer a diversified POV, black and white people do not.

So you think that you as an orthodox jew will sometimes have a different perspective than a random non jew? If not, I can lead you to a forum where that difference in perspective is sometimes quite evident.

[CountValentine]

It is, but from me personally it's not, because men and women offer a diversified POV, black and white people do not.

For me the environment you grow up in has a massive effect on your POV.

[davidrotts63]

Yes it is possible but the overwhelming evidence says it didn't happen. Look at AZ that they made a big deal out of. Biden ended up with a few more votes after it was done. You don't hear a peep about that anymore. The fraud was on the R side trying to submit fraudulent electors to be certified by Pence.

So we're on the same page for the most part, great, now don't you think it would be great if you had confidence in our elections, and you could say with near certainty "it's impossible"?
That's why we need to be careful with the laws, and that's why we need ID.

[davidrotts63]

For me the environment you grow up in has a massive effect on your POV.

Oh sure it can, why does it boil down to color?
Heck, if he said he wanted a women from the south side, that's one thing, but 100% about race? Who in all likelihood will end up being a privileged women...not someone who faced intense hardships growing up...