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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #100 on: June 26, 2015, 01:08:31 PM »
Which "rights" don't they have? They're free to do as they please, just like the guy who marries his pet (who can do what he wants but technically he's not married).
They don't want rights-they want to redefine and corrupt traditional morals.
I think he meant legal protections that are offered to married couples, as they relate to inheritance/probate, custody, taxes, etc.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #101 on: June 26, 2015, 01:09:08 PM »
Which "rights" don't they have? They're free to do as they please, just like the guy who marries his pet (who can do what he wants but technically he's not married).
They don't want rights-they want to redefine and corrupt traditional morals.
What about certain health care plans. If they are not married the partner is not covered.

Can we leave the pets out of this, especially dogs?
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #102 on: June 26, 2015, 01:09:14 PM »
Can a priest refuse to marry them based on religious beliefs?

Why a priest? What about a Rabbi? Can he turn down a Gay wedding? Does that open him to lawsuits?

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #103 on: June 26, 2015, 01:09:53 PM »
Which "rights" don't they have? They're free to do as they please, just like the guy who marries his pet (who can do what he wants but technically he's not married).
They don't want rights-they want to redefine and corrupt traditional morals.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #104 on: June 26, 2015, 01:09:58 PM »
Why a priest? What about a Rabbi? Can he turn down a Gay wedding? Does that open him to lawsuits?
He can, and it doesn't.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #105 on: June 26, 2015, 01:10:14 PM »
What about certain health care plans. If they are not married the partner is not covered.
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This is the stuff that concerns me. All the rights they are lacking as partners and parents.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #106 on: June 26, 2015, 01:10:34 PM »
In fact you are wrong. Sexual corruption didn't begin until Noach's time, hundreds of years after the creation of the world and Adam and the beginning of "civilization" as Torah Jews believe.
Regardless you're arguing over fine print instead of the point but you're wrong about the fine print as well. Let's see you answer that.
Your quote here:
A historical view that has held sway since the beginning of civilization. Not an enlightened decision based on popular opinion.
implies that sexual behavior has historically been between man and woman, and recently there is an enlightened movement that is popular so people  are now pro homosexual behavior.

But what was shown is that for thousands of years and in many of the greatest societies in "history" held that homosexual behavior was the preferred way of having a partner you love.

So by saying that history would dictate that marriage should be between marriage (or sexual behavior) should be between a man and woman is simply inaccurate. And to imply that it is a enlightened (meaning newer and recent) movement that is pro-gay, is also historically inaccurate as it has a long history in this world and basis.


To broaden the discussion the Torah doesn't really comment on a marriage contract between two men, only about sexual contact, the court didn't rule on sexual contact, only on a contract which maybe the Torah does or doesn't recognize as having any halachik ramifications.

For example if yankel and shimon want tax benefits of being married does the torah forbid this? I do not think so.

That example shows the ruling of the court is not necessarily against halacha.

I do agree it is a break down of the morals and spirit of the Torah however.

Let's see you answer that.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #107 on: June 26, 2015, 01:11:09 PM »
Which "rights" don't they have? They're free to do as they please, just like the guy who marries his pet (who can do what he wants but technically he's not married).
They don't want rights-they want to redefine and corrupt traditional morals.
+10000000
You really believe that? That their prime objective is to corrupt tradition rather than to have the right to marry?
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #108 on: June 26, 2015, 01:11:49 PM »
Why a priest? What about a Rabbi? Can he turn down a Gay wedding? Does that open him to lawsuits?
Rabbi also but I just picked a Priest.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #109 on: June 26, 2015, 01:12:35 PM »
But what was shown is that for thousands of years and in many of the greatest societies in "history" held that homosexual behavior was the preferred way of having a partner you love.
Source?
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #110 on: June 26, 2015, 01:12:51 PM »


I do agree it is a break down of the morals and spirit of the Torah however.


Does that bother you at all?

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #111 on: June 26, 2015, 01:13:39 PM »
You really believe that? That their prime objective is to corrupt tradition rather than to have the right to marry?

I believe its a political move. I think that the ruling is not based on law but on feelings.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #112 on: June 26, 2015, 01:14:43 PM »
Which "rights" don't they have? They're free to do as they please, just like the guy who marries his pet (who can do what he wants but technically he's not married).
They don't want rights-they want to redefine and corrupt traditional morals.
They don't care about your morals, they don't want you to define theirs. Frankly, I agree, I don't want the government defining my morals.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #113 on: June 26, 2015, 01:14:43 PM »
I believe its a political move. I think that the ruling is not based on law but on feelings.
We understand that but you did not answer the question.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #114 on: June 26, 2015, 01:14:51 PM »
Source?
Any history book on Greek society for starters.

Does that bother you at all?
Sure.
I believe its a political move. I think that the ruling is not based on law but on feelings.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #115 on: June 26, 2015, 01:15:11 PM »
I believe its a political move. I think that the ruling is not based on law but on feelings.
That wasn't the question. Do you not believe that gay people truly WANT to get married?
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #116 on: June 26, 2015, 01:16:54 PM »
But what was shown is that for thousands of years and in many of the greatest societies in "history" held that homosexual behavior was the preferred way of having a partner you love.

I don't think homosexuality was about love in ancient times
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #117 on: June 26, 2015, 01:17:43 PM »
I don't think homosexuality was about love in ancient times
If you want to define love that will take another 10 threads. Insert any meaning you want for the word love so it fits for you.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #118 on: June 26, 2015, 01:20:04 PM »
That wasn't the question. Do you not believe that gay people truly WANT to get married?
Who cares what they WANT? Law is Law

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #119 on: June 26, 2015, 01:20:14 PM »
If you want to define love that will take another 10 popcorn threads.
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