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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2015, 11:42:10 AM »
To be honest with you-yes, SCOTUS is politically motivated across the board. How can people not be biased by their political opinions? The whole idea of non-biased judges is ludicrous.
So how should laws be adjudicated? And how is this something that started this week?
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2015, 11:45:41 AM »
That is really sad.

Have you ever sat on a jury?
The concept of a jury is even worse. A bunch of people who never passed first grade deciding on matters of life and death.
So how should laws be adjudicated? And how is this something that started this week?
What I'm discussing is the pathetic nature of the system the way it is today, not better alternatives. That's a separate topic.
And no while it didn't start this week it's obviously getting worse and worse.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2015, 11:49:33 AM »
What I'm discussing is the pathetic nature of the system the way it is today, not better alternatives. That's a separate topic.
And no while it didn't start this week it's obviously getting worse and worse.
I'm sorry, even Torah defers to human judges. It's not that there's no BETTER way to do things, there IS NO OTHER WAY to do things (at least not until we develop fully intelligent AIs, who may or may not be impartial as well...)

But in the bottom line I agree with you. 100% of the problems humans face could be solved if there were just no humans around to mess things up...
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2015, 11:51:37 AM »
The concept of a jury is even worse. A bunch of people who never passed first grade deciding on matters of life and death.
Your elitist view now explains a lot. Sit on a jury once and then maybe we can have an intelligent discussion about being biased.  :)
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2015, 11:52:33 AM »
I think yesterday's ACA opinion was legally more atrocious than today's.  You can judge by reading the dissents; yesterday's had some very valid points.  I have yet to read today's.

How many constitutional lawyers do we have here?

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2015, 11:53:16 AM »
I'm sorry, even Torah defers to human judges. It's not that there's no BETTER way to do things, there IS NO OTHER WAY to do things (at least not until we develop fully intelligent AIs, who may or may not be impartial as well...)
Excuse me. The Torah defers to human judges who operate in accordance with halacha because although mistakes can happen once we do what's required of us it's in the hands of God. This reasoning does not apply to secular judges who are obviously so liberal and blinded by Western moral corruption they can't rule straight on anything.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2015, 11:55:12 AM »
Excuse me. The Torah defers to human judges who operate in accordance with halacha because although mistakes can happen once we do what's required of us it's in the hands of God. This reasoning does not apply to secular judges who are obviously so liberal and blinded by Western moral corruption they can't rule straight on anything.

...based on your interpretation of the constitution.  Have you read the opinion?

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2015, 11:55:38 AM »
Your realistic view now explains a lot.
FTFY

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2015, 11:56:38 AM »
Excuse me. The Torah defers to human judges who operate in accordance with halacha because although mistakes can happen once we do what's required of us it's in the hands of God. This reasoning does not apply to secular judges who are obviously so liberal and blinded by Western moral corruption they can't rule straight on anything.
So you would rather have them offer a religious ruling in this case?
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2015, 11:58:04 AM »
FTFY
I guess slamming everyone that ever served on a jury is a realistic view.  ::)
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2015, 11:58:15 AM »
...based on your interpretation of the constitution.  Have you read the opinion?
Some of it. Quite frankly it's irrelevant. The Torah has already ruled on this-case closed. SCOTUS's decision makes no difference.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2015, 11:59:33 AM »
So you would rather have them offer a religious ruling in this case?
A moral view. A historical view that has held sway since the beginning of civilization. Not an enlightened decision based on popular opinion.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2015, 12:00:41 PM »
Some of it. Quite frankly it's irrelevant. The Torah has already ruled on this-case closed. SCOTUS's decision makes no difference.
When you decide on a new place to live that is ruled by religious laws I would read the fine print first.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2015, 12:01:24 PM »
Next is a "right" to marry animals, then a right to marry trees, then rocks.
Astonishing how the morals of the Western world and of this country have corroded so badly so fast.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2015, 12:01:57 PM »
A moral view. A historical view that has held sway since the beginning of civilization. Not an enlightened decision based on popular opinion.
Can I get your view on slavery?
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