Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings

[Aj3042]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian

I'm sure he's heard of the term before and knows full well what it means. He's probably just arguing again for the sake of arguing.

[aygart]

I'm sure he's heard of the term before and knows full well what it means. He's probably just arguing again for the sake of arguing.

The pot calling the kettle black.....

His question was not translation or definition

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I'm sure he's heard of the term before and knows full well what it means. He's probably just arguing again for the sake of arguing.

I wanted to make sure it meant Judaism before I went off. Which one of the founding fathers was Jewish or believed in Judaism? The most I will give you is this country was based on Christian values and that is a stretch.

[Aj3042]

I wanted to make sure it meant Judaism before I went off. Which one of the founding fathers was Jewish or believed in Judaism? The most I will give you is this country was based on Christian values and that is a stretch.

As I said before.

Well given that many (if not most) Christian values came from Jewish one is think the answer to your question is pretty obvious (though not really relevant to the discussion at hand).

[aradisc]

Is there anyone in this thread that is for the decision?

Hello! I can't say that I'm specifically for the legal reasoning of the decision, because I haven't interrogated it. But in general I think the government's role in marriage is to formalize joint property, tax and survivorship considerations (not necessarily biological, religious, or procreative motives), and it does seem problematic that different states would act differently on this.

[aygart]

Hello! I can't say that I'm specifically for the legal reasoning of the decision, because I haven't interrogated it. But in general I think the government's role in marriage is to formalize joint property, tax and survivorship considerations (not necessarily biological, religious, or procreative motives), and it does seem problematic that different states would act differently on this.

Even now and even within traditional marriage states treat these things differently

[PTU]

Marriage is a kinyan ishus. Not an institution.
At least according to judeo values.

[Achas Veachas]

Don't be ridiculous. Saying that marriage is a religious concept doesn't preclude atheists from getting married. There are atheists who celebrate Christmas, light the menorah, and do many "culturally religious" things. The fact that something developed due to religion and morals doesn't mean it won't be performed by atheists once it becomes entrenched in a society. You know that.Well given that many (if not most) Christian values came from Jewish one is think the answer to your question is pretty obvious (though not really relevant to the discussion at hand).

Are you for real? Marriage is a Judeo-christian invention? Hindus, Buddhists, traditional Chinese etc. all got it from the Judeo- Christian culture? Before matan Torah there was no marriage? Before Avraham there was no marriage? Go back to parshas bereshis please....

[ChaimMoskowitz]

As I said before.

You saying something does not make it so. The cornerstone of Christianity is Jesus is G-D. This came from Judaism?

[zale]

Marriage is a kinyan ishus. Not an institution.
At least according to judeo values.

Institution, as in "instituted by the Torah".

[zale]

You saying something does not make it so. The cornerstone of Christianity is Jesus is G-D. This came from Judaism?

This is really a different topic, but the Old Testament is compiled from the Torah. The primary change Christians (i.e. some off the beaten path Jews) made is to the concept of G-D, where they believe that G-D is not one being, but made up of multiple elements.

[Dan]

Still have no interest in arguing either side of this, but if your opinion is the opposite of whatever Fink says, you'll usually be right
http://finkorswim.com/2015/06/28/i-believe-in-torah-halacha-and-equality/

[Aj3042]

Still have no interest in arguing either side of this, but if your opinion is the opposite of whatever Fink says, you'll usually be right
http://finkorswim.com/2015/06/28/i-believe-in-torah-halacha-and-equality/

So we finally agree on something. Who was it that said they don't even give this guy the legitimacy of reading what he writes? He's predictable wrong and disgusting on every issue.

[wayfe]

Problem with me is- I'm not good with grey areas or middle roads as the ideals. Even if in action I might choose it- I need to know what the ideal is in black and white terms....

But here is an honest opinion which I think many people hold.
http://popchassid.com/changing-discussion-gays-orthodox-jewish-community/

He says:

I sincerely believe, as well, that the people on the “left”, may want gay marriage to be legal, may want every orthodox Jew to believe that being gay is unchangable. But I think gay Jews want and need something else much more: to simply feel accepted. To not feel judged. For others to not assume that just because they are out that they are breaking halacha. To be given simple, complete, love from their families, and from their Jewish family.

Do you think this is honestly true?

[zale]

Are you for real? Marriage is a Judeo-christian invention? Hindus, Buddhists, traditional Chinese etc. all got it from the Judeo- Christian culture? Before matan Torah there was no marriage? Before Avraham there was no marriage? Go back to parshas bereshis please....

See here:

http://www.talmudyerushalmi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Kiddushin-Among-Gentiles1.pdf

[dovy2]

Are you for real? Marriage is a Judeo-christian invention? Hindus, Buddhists, traditional Chinese etc. all got it from the Judeo- Christian culture? Before matan Torah there was no marriage? Before Avraham there was no marriage? Go back to parshas bereshis please....

Not exactly the same type of marriage, then it was without commitments. The whole issue of a written commitment by marriage indeed started with matan torah.

See the first halacha of rambam of hilchos ishus.

Also see the sicha about yaakov marrying two sisters.

[Achas Veachas]

Meh, from the medrash brought earlier it's mashma that there was a concept of Kesuvah before the mabul, also from the story of Shchem.

I'm not saying that Yiddishkeit didn't add anything to the concept of a wedding, I'd have to be a fool to say that, but none of what Yiddishkeit (or any religion for that matter) added to marriage has nothing to do with the institution called civil marriage.

[eis517]

Still have no interest in arguing either side of this, but if your opinion is the opposite of whatever Fink says, you'll usually be right
http://finkorswim.com/2015/06/28/i-believe-in-torah-halacha-and-equality/

I disagree with him on many things, but this is actually a great opinion.

[Dan]

I disagree with him on many things, but this is actually a great opinion.

And I'm continuing not to comment on this issue, but for the most part he is usually wrong on his takes. Hence,

if your opinion is the opposite of whatever Fink says, you'll usually be right

[eis517]

And I'm continuing not to comment on this issue, but for the most part he is usually wrong on his takes. Hence,

I usually disagree with him. And I am not asking for your stance on the issue. However, here he is completely right.