Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings

[CountValentine]

Not a good week.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-s-yeshiva-university-halts-student-clubs-in-dispute-over-lgbt-group/ar-AA11V3m0?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=48bba285e9d34d8d8db17f0fa57a32e5

Rosenfeld called the university's move to cancel all student club activities rather than accept one LGBT group on campus "is a throwback to 50 years ago when the city of Jackson, Mississippi closed all public swimming pools rather than comply with court orders to desegregate."

[Welder]

Not a good week.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-s-yeshiva-university-halts-student-clubs-in-dispute-over-lgbt-group/ar-AA11V3m0?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=48bba285e9d34d8d8db17f0fa57a32e5

Rosenfeld called the university's move to cancel all student club activities rather than accept one LGBT group on campus "is a throwback to 50 years ago when the city of Jackson, Mississippi closed all public swimming pools rather than comply with court orders to desegregate."

Ridiculous, they're emboldened by the 'activist' SCOTUS

[CountValentine]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/roberts-and-kavanaugh-issue-a-surprise-warning-shot-to-conservative-lawyers/ar-AA11SLyd?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=729d8f36d84942748bae19f344755bb4

Seems there is a fly in the anointment. 

Yeshiva calls itself a Jewish university; however, it is incorporated as a secular institution in order to receive government funds, and fewer than 5 percent of students major in Jewish studies.

[imayid2]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/roberts-and-kavanaugh-issue-a-surprise-warning-shot-to-conservative-lawyers/ar-AA11SLyd?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=729d8f36d84942748bae19f344755bb4

Seems there is a fly in the anointment. 

Yeshiva calls itself a Jewish university; however, it is incorporated as a secular institution in order to receive government funds, and fewer than 5 percent of students major in Jewish studies.

They should not of done that. That institution isn’t a glowing example of virtuousness for most of us. Now they are slightly in a pickle, though their prospects look good.

[CountValentine]

They should not of done that. That institution isn’t a glowing example of virtuousness for most of us. Now they are slightly in a pickle, though their prospects look good.

You think they have a good case saying they are not a secular university?

[imayid2]

You think they have a good case saying they are not a secular university?

I do not exactly how that gets classified. Is any receiving of public funds a disqualification? I definitely here the argument against them that they labeled themselves secular. I don’t know the specific legalities on this, and apparently the Justices seem to think they can still be called a religious institution. They have always been run ostensibly as a religious organization.

[CountValentine]

I do not exactly how that gets classified. Is any receiving of public funds a disqualification? I definitely here the argument against them that they labeled themselves secular. I don’t know the specific legalities on this, and apparently the Justices seem to think they can still be called a religious institution. They have always been run ostensibly as a religious organization.

https://www.jta.org/2022/09/16/ny/yeshiva-university-suspends-all-student-clubs-as-it-appeals-case-against-lgbtq-alliance#:~:text=In%20its%20charter%2C%20Yeshiva%20University%20is%20incorporated%20as,not%20allowing%20an%20LGBTQ%20pride%20club%20on%20campus.

If they now claim they are a religious university was this fraud?

In its charter, Yeshiva University is incorporated as a secular institution, a change made in the late 1960s in order to receive government funding and public grants. It was on this basis that a New York court ruled that Y.U. violated the New York City Human Rights Law by not allowing an LGBTQ pride club on campus.

[aygart]

THere is no question that they undermined themselves by classifying as secular.

[CountValentine]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/abcarian-yeshiva-university-says-it-loves-its-lgbtq-students-they-just-can-t-have-their-own-club/ar-AA124AdY?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=3edf511e7938440bb7767b880eca9397

Yeshiva's president, Rabbi Ari Berman, added this:
“Our commitment to and love for our LGBTQ students are unshakeable. We continue to extend our hand in invitation to work together to create a more inclusive campus life consistent with our Torah values.”

[ellemeno]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/abcarian-yeshiva-university-says-it-loves-its-lgbtq-students-they-just-can-t-have-their-own-club/ar-AA124AdY?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=3edf511e7938440bb7767b880eca9397

Yeshiva's president, Rabbi Ari Berman, added this:
“Our commitment to and love for our LGBTQ students are unshakeable. We continue to extend our hand in invitation to work together to create a more inclusive campus life consistent with our Torah values.”

So now you understand how they can be a secular institution and enjoy propections as religious

[CountValentine]

So now you understand how they can be a secular institution and enjoy propections as religious

Not at all. They should have no religious protections when they register as a secular university.

[zh cohen]

Not at all. They should have no religious protections when they register as a secular university.

This assumes that only churches/places of worship have freedom of religion. This is clearly not the case, as the supreme court ruled. A completely secular business can be own/run by religious people, and forcing them to violate their religious beliefs is a violation of their constitutional rights.

[CountValentine]

This assumes that only churches/places of worship have freedom of religion. This is clearly not the case, as the supreme court ruled. A completely secular business can be own/run by religious people, and forcing them to violate their religious beliefs is a violation of their constitutional rights.

This is clearly not the same as the situation you are referring to. They register and receive government funds as a secular university. They should be held to the same standards as any secular university.

Also, what they are doing know is pure discrimination after the court ruled.

[imayid2]

Also, what they are doing know is pure discrimination after the court ruled.

How so?

[CountValentine]

How so?

Are you joking? Stop trying to defend this outright discrimination.
It is like when some states closed all public pools because the court ruled you couldn't discriminate against blacks.

[imayid2]

Are you joking? Stop trying to defend this outright discrimination.
It is like when some states closed all public pools because the court ruled you couldn't discriminate against blacks.

Do you have a dictionary handy? Discrimination is when you distinguish between different groups, that is not being done here.
Maybe think of a different word to describe your outrage.

[CountValentine]

Do you have a dictionary handy? Discrimination is when you distinguish between different groups, that is not being done here.
Maybe think of a different word to describe your outrage.

No it is discrimination and any court in the land will see it that way. The only question is will the courts make a religious exception.

Just like a rape/incest exception for abortion. You still call it murder.

[imayid2]

No it is discrimination and any court in the land will see it that way. The only question is will the courts make a religious exception.

Just like a rape/incest exception for abortion. You still call it murder.

You need a better word to describe the “injustice”. As per the English language “discrimination” isn’t a valid description.

[zh cohen]

They register and receive government funds as a secular university. They should be held to the same standards as any secular university.

Why does being secular mean you give up your right to freedom of religion? Is freedom of religion only for when you are in church/synagogue?

[CountValentine]

You need a better word to describe the “injustice”. As per the English language “discrimination” isn’t a valid description.

You seem oblivious to the backdoor attempt.