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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #460 on: September 22, 2022, 09:41:32 PM »
Why does being secular mean you give up your right to freedom of religion? Is freedom of religion only for when you are in church/synagogue?
I never said you give up your religious freedom. Religious freedom is not absolute.
If I go to a secular university, I would not expect to have religious rules put on me, would you?
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #461 on: September 22, 2022, 10:22:26 PM »
If the owners of this institution would decide that they simply have no choice other than to close down their whole school instead of legitimizing this club, would that also be “discrimination”?

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #462 on: September 22, 2022, 10:39:37 PM »
If the owners of this institution would decide that they simply have no choice other than to close down their whole school instead of legitimizing this club, would that also be “discrimination”?
Do you want salt or cheese with that pretzel.  :)
The discrimination already happened. The horse left the barn.
The courts now have to decide if they are allowed to discriminate based on their religious beliefs.
What will be interesting is if they lose in court and decide to leave everything as it stands now. That won't be the end of it.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #463 on: September 22, 2022, 11:42:05 PM »
https://www.jta.org/2022/09/16/ny/yeshiva-university-suspends-all-student-clubs-as-it-appeals-case-against-lgbtq-alliance#:~:text=In%20its%20charter%2C%20Yeshiva%20University%20is%20incorporated%20as,not%20allowing%20an%20LGBTQ%20pride%20club%20on%20campus.

If they now claim they are a religious university was this fraud?

In its charter, Yeshiva University is incorporated as a secular institution, a change made in the late 1960s in order to receive government funding and public grants. It was on this basis that a New York court ruled that Y.U. violated the New York City Human Rights Law by not allowing an LGBTQ pride club on campus.
this is discrimination  :)

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #464 on: September 23, 2022, 07:31:30 AM »
If I go to a secular university, I would not expect to have religious rules put on me, would you?

Who is imposing religious rules on anyone?

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #466 on: February 21, 2023, 05:49:33 PM »
I expect this to hit SCOTUS soon.
What happen to the right believing in parents deciding what they feel is best for their children? They are so FOS it is ridicules!!!

Idaho House passes bill criminalizing gender-affirming medical care for transgender minors
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/idaho-house-passes-ban-gender-affirming-medical-care/
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #468 on: February 21, 2023, 05:57:06 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/21/tech/supreme-court-gonzalez-v-google/index.html
Ding ding ding we have a winner!!!

One of the few justices focusing on how changes to Section 230 could affect individual internet users was Justice Amy Coney Barrett, who repeatedly asked whether narrowing the law in the ways Schnapper has proposed could put average social media users in legal jeopardy.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #469 on: February 21, 2023, 06:00:40 PM »
Ding ding ding we have a winner!!!

One of the few justices focusing on how changes to Section 230 could affect individual internet users was Justice Amy Coney Barrett, who repeatedly asked whether narrowing the law in the ways Schnapper has proposed could put average social media users in legal jeopardy.

Yup! Be careful what you retweet or repost!
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #470 on: February 21, 2023, 07:47:47 PM »
I expect this to hit SCOTUS soon.
What happen to the right believing in parents deciding what they feel is best for their children? They are so FOS it is ridicules!!!

Idaho House passes bill criminalizing gender-affirming medical care for transgender minors
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/idaho-house-passes-ban-gender-affirming-medical-care/
That stuff causes permanent physical and emotional damage. No parent should be allowed to do that, they should be prosecuted for child endangerment.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #471 on: February 21, 2023, 07:53:42 PM »
That stuff causes permanent physical and emotional damage. No parent should be allowed to do that, they should be prosecuted for child endangerment.
So you want the government to decide and not the parents? This is the problem with "you" people. You only care about parents right when you are for them.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #472 on: February 22, 2023, 12:46:17 AM »
So you want the government to decide and not the parents? This is the problem with "you" people. You only care about parents right when you are for them.

Nice to see how everyone just ignores this comment but lest you believe that you have a point, I'll spell out the difference for you.

Parents have the right on how to raise their children to function successfully in THEIR society, the government should not interfere with that. However, the government should interfere and stop parents from harming their children and destine them not to function in ANY society.


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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #473 on: February 22, 2023, 05:54:52 AM »
So you want the government to decide and not the parents? This is the problem with "you" people. You only care about parents right when you are for them.
1.Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.
2. Happiness and moral duty are inseparably connected. -George Washington
 "The foundation of our national policy will be laid in the pure and immutable principles of private morality." -From Washington's first inaugural address.
We have no government armed in power capable of contending in human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

-John Adams
The founding fathers widely shared this view. They did not accept that freedom is an "unalienable right" on its own but rather that "that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"
The founders didn't intend the framework of rights to serve an atheistic society simply because the framework of rights must be bounded by religious morality.
Because freedom without morals and religion is anarchy. No one has the absolute right to do what they want. The issue here is parents being self-absorbed or deluded to the extent that they would drug or mutilate their own children in pursuit of a hopeless nightmare (it's not even a dream)
Listen to the recent testimony of a father testifying in Tennesee on their child protection bill, explaining how he discovered his son was really his daughter when, at age 4(!) his child was having a hard time sleeping (!)
Tell me this is someone who only has his kid's best interest at heart.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #474 on: February 22, 2023, 06:10:09 AM »
It is pure ignorance to think you know what is best for someone's child when you know zero about the situation. You look at a situation and automatically say the child is being harm when the exact opposite can be true. You can't help yourself because you have been programed this way from birth.

ETA: It is obvious many don't even understand how far this bill goes.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #475 on: February 22, 2023, 06:31:01 AM »
It is pure ignorance to think you know what is best for someone's child when you know zero about the situation. You look at a situation and automatically say the child is being harm when the exact opposite can be true. You can't help yourself because you have been programed this way from birth.
If you can find the statistics that bear out that this helps, then outside of religion there can possibly be a discussion. Best evidence would suggest there isn't. The common theme here is that if these children aren't permanently mutilated, they'll harm themselves due to the stress of not being affirmed. And supposedly the wave of youth now identifying as trans in (mostly blue) cities were always there, but just afraid to come out due to the stigma. If so, historically we should have seen extremely high suicide rates especially among youth due to the extensive "Un-affirmed" trans population, followed by a lower rate now that there is a more open environment. Instead, the opposite seems true, with youth depression and suicidal idiation skyrocketing recently. Trans identified youth actually have higher suicide and depression rates after beginning transition.
So, how is this better for the kids?

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #476 on: February 22, 2023, 06:32:53 AM »
You can't help yourself because you have been programed this way from birth.
How did you know? We have this picture book at home from right after I emerged that shows my father dialing the dogma directly into my forehead.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #477 on: February 22, 2023, 06:44:15 AM »
ETA: It is obvious many don't even understand how far this bill goes.
No problem. I will confess I haven't read it. My filter doesn't allow it. But I've heard about most of these. Please lay it on.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #478 on: February 22, 2023, 06:50:09 AM »
No problem. I will confess I haven't read it. My filter doesn't allow it. But I've heard about most of these. Please lay it on.
What you most likely heard is one-sided. Did you listen to any of the testimony transgender kids gave before Idaho lawmakers? That is the least you can do, no?

It makes it criminal for what you do in another state.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #479 on: February 22, 2023, 06:53:18 AM »
What you most likely heard is one-sided. Did you listen to any of the testimony transgender kids gave before Idaho lawmakers? That is the least you can do, no?
Kids are kids. I've heard Greta Thunberg too. The world hasn't exploded into a giant cloud of miasma yet as far as I know. I've heard Dwayne Wade's kid talk about his experience and feelings, and then his ex, who started out very accepting, comes out and says the kid was confused and Wade is just using it as PR.