Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings

[bochur22]

It makes it criminal for what you do in another state.

It makes it criminal to cross state lines to mutilate your child? The horror!

[CountValentine]

Kids are kids. I've heard Greta Thunberg too. The world hasn't exploded into a giant cloud of miasma yet as far as I know. I've heard Dwayne Wade's kid talk about his experience and feelings, and then his ex, who started out very accepting, comes out and says the kid was confused and Wade is just using it as PR.

Are you trying to prove my one-sided comment? You only seem to have negative positions on this.
You have not heard about kids that have said it saved their life?

[CountValentine]

It makes it criminal to cross state lines to mutilate your child? The horror!

You claim it is mutilation.
So now you are for states allowing to tell you what you can do in other states? 
Maybe you will understand when I say "you" people it has nothing to do with race or religion.

[bochur22]

Are you trying to prove my one-sided comment? You only seem to have negative positions on this.
You have not heard about kids that have said it saved their life?

You hear from those same kids 10 years later when they're sterile and dealing with aftereffects, and they're still not happy?
Gender dysphoria is real. It's a disorder. But we don't treat disassociative personality disorder by having a roundtable discussion of the multiple personalities.

[CountValentine]

You hear from those same kids 10 years later when they're sterile and dealing with aftereffects, and they're still not happy?

If you hear from them 10 years later then that is a good thing as they did not commit suicide.

For trans kids it is a struggle their entire lives. The issue is to try and find the best way to help them.

[bochur22]

You claim it is mutilation.
So now you are for states allowing to tell you what you can do in other states? 
Maybe you will understand when I say "you" people it has nothing to do with race or religion.

Someone who transports a child out of state to harm him should be charged with kidnapping in that state. Because he's taking a child out of the state to harm him. The doing actually isn't the criminal problem, the taking is.

[bochur22]

If you hear from them 10 years later then that is a good thing as they did not commit suicide.

For trans kids it is a struggle their entire lives. The issue is to try and find the best way to help them.

I think I addressed the suicide issue before based on the historical data. The DSM in the first 4 editions had methods of treating gender dysphoria that weren't affirmation. There are no long-term studies done on gender-affirming care. The W-PATH (Organization which advocates for gender transition for minors) study of gender dysphoric minors and teens found the strongest rates of suicidal Idiation after transition, not before.

[CountValentine]

Someone who transports a child out of state to harm him should be charged with kidnapping in that state. Because he's taking a child out of the state to harm him. The doing actually isn't the criminal problem, the taking is.

This is the problem with "you" people. 
You don't get to put your moral judgement on others. If a state decides that something is legal what right do they have to tell another state it is illegal?

If people go to LAS and smoke pot, when they return home you are saying they should be prosecuted.

[CountValentine]

I think I addressed the suicide issue before based on the historical data.

You just stated what you believe to be true. 

[CountValentine]

Here is a typical article about suicide rates. They bash one side for being fast and loose with the numbers and then do the same thing.
https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/does-gender-affirming-care-trans-kids-actually-prevent-suicide-heres-what-the

Again, everyone should read this law. It goes way beyond what we are talking about.

[bochur22]

For trans kids it is a struggle their entire lives. The issue is to try and find the best way to help them.

They've taken out the transportation provision.
This claim is made within the bill: Gender dysphoria among children rarely persists into adulthood,
7 with peer-reviewed research revealing that as many as ninety-eight per8 cent (98%) of gender dysphoric boys and as many as eighty-eight percent
9 (88%) of gender dysphoric girls ultimately identify with their biological sex after passing through puberty.

[avromie7]

You claim it is mutilation.
So now you are for states allowing to tell you what you can do in other states? 
Maybe you will understand when I say "you" people it has nothing to do with race or religion.

If you take your child to Africa for FGM you can be prosecuted for it when you get back, why is this different?

Federal law 18 U.S. Code § 116 'Female Genital Mutilation', as amended by the STOP FGM Act 2020, makes it illegal to perform FGM in the U.S. and was amended in 2013 to make it illegal to knowingly transport a girl out of the U.S. for the purpose of FGM.

[zh cohen]

You have not heard about kids that have said it saved their life?

Since when do we use anecdotal claims from individuals to determine whether a medical procedure is appropriate?

Do you think we should listen to the anti-vaxxers about vaccines causing autism because parents of children with autism make this claim?

As for the broader discussion about parental rights; Everyone agrees that there are limits to what a parent can do to their child. It is a strawman argument to say that someone who supports parent's rights must support a parent's right to subject their child to unnecessary and harmful medical interventions.

[CountValentine]

If you take your child to Africa for FGM you can be prosecuted for it when you get back, why is this different?

WOW!!! I am lost for words. You make Tucker Carlson look like an honest person.
Are you clueless to what that law addresses?

So let me understand you correctly. You are ok with states prosecuting individuals for legal acts in other states?

[aygart]

You are ok with states prosecuting individuals for legal acts in other states?

My understanding is that this would be unconstitutional.

[CountValentine]

As for the broader discussion about parental rights; Everyone agrees that there are limits to what a parent can do to their child. It is a strawman argument to say that someone who supports parent's rights must support a parent's right to subject their child to unnecessary and harmful medical interventions.

How about when a state believes you are causing harm to your child by not doing x, y, or z. Should they be able to force you to do x, y, or z to your child?

[CountValentine]

My understanding is that this would be unconstitutional.

Not what I asked.

[aygart]

Not what I asked.

Correct

[CountValentine]

Correct

So let's stop popping in with red herrings and address the issue.

[aygart]

So let's stop popping in with red herrings and address the issue.

You are right. If it is unconstitutional then it is irrelevant and asking opinions about that is a red herring