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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #580 on: February 22, 2023, 02:58:55 PM »
Most Americans circumcise their newborn children btw, hardly an exclusively Jewish thing
The point is you are surgically altering a male genital. I can see the fringe of any party claiming this is mutilation and making it a felony. Has nothing to do with being a Jewish thing.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #581 on: February 22, 2023, 02:59:04 PM »
So if they claim their religion supports what they are doing then you would be ok with it?
Like abortion? ROFLMAO!!!
Which religion requires elective abortion?
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #582 on: February 22, 2023, 03:01:38 PM »
...make this ridiculous conversation even more enlightening,
If you take your child to Africa for FGM you can be prosecuted for it when you get back, why is this different?

"Federal law 18 U.S. Code § 116 'Female Genital Mutilation', as amended by the STOP FGM Act 2020, makes it illegal to perform FGM in the U.S. and was amended in 2013 to make it illegal to knowingly transport a girl out of the U.S. for the purpose of FGM."
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #583 on: February 22, 2023, 03:04:23 PM »
Which religion requires elective abortion?
Again you like to twist words. Where did I say a religion "requires" elective abortion?

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #584 on: February 22, 2023, 03:06:54 PM »
Again you like to twist words. Where did I say a religion "requires" elective abortion?
Which religion claims divine aquiesence to abortion?

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #585 on: February 22, 2023, 03:07:41 PM »
Speaking of mutilation and religion, are we ready to stop mutilating male infants and children — AKA circumcision ?

Let them decide as adults if and when to do this irreversible mutilating procedure!

It's not really life changing, and can arguably be done as an agent in the best interest of the child, even without any consent from the child or indication that they'd be interested. It can be assumed that it's extremely likely that as adults, they will not be unhappy with the procedure having been done, and that the results will not be a significant material impediment to their future lives and the path they decide to follow. This is why people don't like comparing circumcision to FGM (which is debatably a much more apt comparison).

If the child wouldn't indicate that they are interest in undergoing the gender affirming surgery, is there anyone that would say that the parents have the right to forcibly have it done to the child (the way they do have that right when it comes to most medical procedures)? If a parent would do this, would it be sanctioned, or would criminal charges be brought? Is the only difference here that the child has expressed interest and displayed tendencies which make one think that this is an appropriate move?

(The logical response to this would be that a parent that amputates a healthy child's foot would be locked away, but one that does do to a child with gangrene in an effort to save their life would be supported and praised. It is obvious that circumstances do inform course of action. At the end of the day, it does come down to one's belief in the necessity of said action being taken in fiduciary interest of the custodial charge, and the likelihood that this is the action which the child will appreciate in adulthood. I do recognize this.)

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #586 on: February 22, 2023, 03:08:04 PM »
Again you like to twist words. Where did I say a religion "requires" elective abortion?


You didn't say it but you compared it to circumcision which is a procedure required by some religions. If it is not required then it is not at all comparable.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #587 on: February 22, 2023, 03:08:34 PM »
So now we are the point where this bill has been torn to shreds. They make claims no recognized medical profession backs up.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #588 on: February 22, 2023, 03:08:52 PM »
Again you like to twist words. Where did I say a religion "requires" elective abortion?


How else do you explain this?
So if they claim their religion supports what they are doing then you would be ok with it?
Like abortion? ROFLMAO!!!

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #589 on: February 22, 2023, 03:09:12 PM »
The point is you are surgically altering a male genital. I can see the fringe of any party claiming this is mutilation and making it a felony. Has nothing to do with being a Jewish thing.

There's s difference between piercing your minor daughters ears and cutting off your minor daughters ears.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #590 on: February 22, 2023, 03:10:04 PM »
There's s difference between piercing your minor daughters ears and cutting off your minor daughters ears.
What? :)

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #591 on: February 22, 2023, 03:10:42 PM »
You didn't say it but you compared it to circumcision which is a procedure required by some religions. If it is not required then it is not at all comparable.
You are claiming it is required by a religion. I never claimed that or made a comparison based on your claim.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #592 on: February 22, 2023, 03:11:48 PM »
You are claiming it is required by a religion. I never claimed that or made a comparison based on your claim.

It is a fact that there are religions that require it. There is no need to claim it. Are you denying that? You are being ridiculous.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #593 on: February 22, 2023, 03:13:46 PM »
You are claiming it is required by a religion. I never claimed that or made a comparison based on your claim.

It's pretty popular for non religious reasons too. Even absent religion, a parent seems to be given the rights to make decisions regarding minor medical procedures for their child (like an earring piercing), if there's a high degree of likelihood that the child will be happy with that as an adult, and that it won't have a significant adverse effect in the child's future life and opportunities.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #594 on: February 22, 2023, 03:14:50 PM »
How else do you explain this?
You ever hear of freedom of choice?
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #595 on: February 22, 2023, 03:15:14 PM »

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #596 on: February 22, 2023, 03:17:29 PM »
It is a fact that there are religions that require it. There is no need to claim it. Are you denying that? You are being ridiculous.
You are claiming I based my point on that religions require it. That is 100% false.
I am one of very few here that can separate religion from these discussions.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #597 on: February 22, 2023, 03:18:33 PM »
No
Do you belong to a cult?  :P

Freedom of choice describes an individual's opportunity and autonomy to perform an action selected from at least two available options, unconstrained by external parties.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #598 on: February 22, 2023, 03:21:53 PM »
You are claiming I based my point on that religions require it. That is 100% false.
I am one of very few here that can separate religion from these discussions.
It makes no difference what you based it on, it is either similar to what it was compared to or not. If it is not at all similar then the comparison is ridiculous.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings
« Reply #599 on: February 22, 2023, 03:22:32 PM »
Do you belong to a cult?  :P

Freedom of choice describes an individual's opportunity and autonomy to perform an action selected from at least two available options, unconstrained by external parties.

Freedom of choice gets murky when the action has significant ramifications to external parties.

Every conversation here ends up hitting on the same basic few themes. Lol.


Everyone is is fascists and pickles. How's that for efficiency? 😃