Supreme Court of the United States Recent Rulings

[bochur22]

From Duke Hospital gender clinic website:
Participate in Research to Help Future Generations
Because gender-affirming hormone therapy is a relatively new treatment, research is needed to study its long-term effects. As a Duke patient, you can choose to participate anonymously in research that is studying the long-term risks of hormone-affirming therapy. The information, which is collected anonymously, will help doctors better understand how to treat future generations safely and effectively with hormone therapy.

[CountValentine]

So you're saying that if only everyone were more open, we would see more kids coming out as trans, because right now they exist, they're just afraid to come out due to the stigma.

Yes. Hollywood seems more open about this so I would expect to see more come out there than average.

[aygart]

To be part of a cult? Of course, it is. Why would you even ask such a question?

Recap: Most religions are a cult. Some more than others.
Is that a protected freedom, of course!!

Huh?!?!? Is Freedom of Choice protected?

[bochur22]

Yes. Hollywood seems more open about this so I would expect to see more come out there than average.

Keep on conveniently ignoring the accompanying suicide point please.

[CountValentine]

Keep on conveniently ignoring the accompanying suicide point please.

I have read a few reports on that, and it is all over the place. AKA - slanted to their narrative.

[bochur22]

I have read a few reports on that, and it is all over the place. AKA - slanted to their narrative.

For example? You seem to have ignored your own bias in this case. Take the numbers by the numbers, and stack the points against each other.
For instance, when gender confusion was a disorder, around 80-90% diagnosed were male. Now, the majority of trans youth are female. And girls are more likely to be affected by social pressures and to have negative body image in particular. Coincidence?
ETA: The statistics Used to be that at most 3% of the population is trans. Suddenly, 15-20% of Gen-Z are identifying as trans. That means 15-20% weren't being affirmed before?

[CountValentine]

For example? You seem to have ignored your own bias in this case. Take the numbers by the numbers, and stack the points against each other.
For instance, when gender confusion was a disorder, around 80-90% diagnosed were male. Now, the majority of trans youth are female. And girls are more likely to be affected by social pressures and to have negative body image in particular. Coincidence?

Can you link to the studies. You just can't throw numbers out.

[dm123]

Thanks for posting the 2 references. Do you have links?

I googled the first one and seems to be this one, correct?

Conclusions
Findings support a relationship between access to GAHT and lower rates of depression and suicidality among transgender and nonbinary youth.

[CountValentine]

Thanks for posting the 2 references. Do you have links?

I googled the first one and seems to be this one, correct?

So they are saying GAHT (Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy) helps?

[Ver hut gazugt]

Thanks for posting the 2 references. Do you have links?

I googled the first one and seems to be this one, correct?

I would not trust such a study.

[jye]

https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/affirmation-generation-the-lies-of

[dm123]

I would not trust such a study.

Which study would you trust?

I assume you're pointing out a (likely significant) shortcoming with the methodology of this study, correct?

[bochur22]

A point that deserves mentioning: The basis of transgender theory is that birth gender can be "wrong" and that people can have their own understanding of gender. Therefore, a parent can never assume their child's gender, whether cis or otherwise, since gender is a malleable thing based on personal feelings. So, in the case of trans kids, parents aren't making a fiduciary decision on the health of their children by designating their kid as trans, since only the child can make that determination according to gender theory. Accordingly, the entire trans designation rests on the ideas of a child. And if we know through research that children's brains aren't developed enough to comprehend the implications involved in consent to s.ex, how do they have the capacity to consent and declare themselves part of a different gender, sterilize themselves, and lop off healthy body parts?

[bochur22]

Which study would you trust?

I assume you're pointing out a (likely significant) shortcoming with the methodology of this study, correct?

These studies in general follow trans-identifying youth, (a criteria that can change its meaning from study to study, from those with d.ysphoria to boys who like the color pink)
a cohort often found with other medical issues, and evaluate merely whether GAC was prescribed or not, without accounting for psychiatric counseling, medication for depression or anxiety (which many of these kids begin taking as a result of the mandatory psychological evaluation required before hormone treatment)
A true study would split a group of kids with confirmed d.ysphoria, treating some through classical psychology and medication, and one merely through affirmation.

[CountValentine]

A point that deserves mentioning: The basis of transgender theory is that birth gender can be "wrong" and that people can have their own understanding of gender. Therefore, a parent can never assume their child's gender, whether cis or otherwise, since gender is a malleable thing based on personal feelings. So, in the case of trans kids, parents aren't making a fiduciary decision on the health of their children by designating their kid as trans, since only the child can make that determination according to gender theory. Accordingly, the entire trans designation rests on the ideas of a child. And if we know through research that children's brains aren't developed enough to comprehend the implications involved in consent to s.ex, how do they have the capacity to consent and declare themselves part of a different gender, sterilize themselves, and lop off healthy body parts?

So a 17-year-old can join the military (with parental consent) and die for our country but not decide about their body. Does that seem logical or fair?

[CountValentine]

A true study would split a group of kids with confirmed d.ysphoria, treating some through classical psychology and medication, and one merely through affirmation.

There is no study like that so far, correct? What is left is to listen to the medical profession. Getting government involved is not the answer.

[bochur22]

There is no study like that so far, correct? What is left is to listen to the medical profession. Getting government involved is not the answer.

So, if there's no such study, how dare we go cut up kids based on unproven trash?

[bochur22]

So a 17-year-old can join the military (with parental consent) and die for our country but not decide about their body. Does that seem logical or fair?

And 5 year olds believe in fairies but can transition at school without their parent's knowledge? The bill you were bashing only bans GAC for those below 18, that's one year separated from your 17. And that is also why WPATH is quoted as having no minimum age guidelines for transitions.

[CountValentine]

So, if there's no such study, how dare we go cut up kids based on unproven trash?

I would not call respect medical institutions that approve of these procedures trash.

Parents are looking to help their children. These are not some nutcase activist. Even if this was an unknown situation would you trust the government over the parents knowing what is best for their child?

[CountValentine]

And 5 year olds believe in fairies but can transition at school without their parent's knowledge? The bill you were bashing only bans GAC for those below 18, that's one year separated from your 17. And that is also why WPATH is quoted as having no minimum age guidelines for transitions.

A 5-year-old is a different story.