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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2015, 11:20:39 AM »
SCOTUS pro gay marriage decision.

Its been a week long of rulings that are completely Anti-Constitutional and all political.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2015, 11:21:31 AM »
Its been a week long of rulings that are completely Anti-Constitutional and all political.
True. SCOTUS is a pathetic institution.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2015, 11:21:39 AM »
SCOTUS pro gay marriage decision.
To be more specific, the final nail in the coffin: Same-Sex couples have a fundamental right to marry under the Fourteenth Amendment.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2015, 11:25:55 AM »
I'm not as convinced this tike around. But 2 years ago the only rationale for his crow bar of reading the law had to be political.
Haven't yet read the most recent opinion, but I agree, the original ACA opinion was utter hogwash. Or, more accurately, the opinion written by CJ Roberts was.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2015, 11:26:26 AM »
To be more specific, the final nail in the coffin: Same-Sex couples have a fundamental right to marry under the Fourteenth Amendment.
Next is a "right" to marry animals, then a right to marry trees, then rocks.
Astonishing how the morals of the Western world and of this country have corroded so badly so fast.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2015, 11:26:44 AM »
Its been a week long of rulings that are completely Anti-Constitutional and all political.
I did not agree with todays decision but lets not go that far.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2015, 11:32:57 AM »
I did not agree with todays decision but lets not go that far.
I think we should go even futher.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2015, 11:35:11 AM »
I think we should go even futher.
Please explain to me how these are political motivated decisions? Would you say the same if the decisions went the other way?
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2015, 11:38:41 AM »
Please explain to me how these are political motivated decisions? Would you say the same if the decisions went the other way?
To be honest with you-yes, SCOTUS is politically motivated across the board. How can people not be biased by their political opinions? The whole idea of non-biased judges is ludicrous.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2015, 11:41:31 AM »
To be honest with you-yes, SCOTUS is politically motivated across the board. How can people not be biased by their political opinions? The whole idea of non-biased judges is ludicrous.
That is really sad.

Have you ever sat on a jury?
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2015, 11:42:10 AM »
To be honest with you-yes, SCOTUS is politically motivated across the board. How can people not be biased by their political opinions? The whole idea of non-biased judges is ludicrous.
So how should laws be adjudicated? And how is this something that started this week?

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2015, 11:45:41 AM »
That is really sad.

Have you ever sat on a jury?
The concept of a jury is even worse. A bunch of people who never passed first grade deciding on matters of life and death.
So how should laws be adjudicated? And how is this something that started this week?
What I'm discussing is the pathetic nature of the system the way it is today, not better alternatives. That's a separate topic.
And no while it didn't start this week it's obviously getting worse and worse.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2015, 11:49:33 AM »
What I'm discussing is the pathetic nature of the system the way it is today, not better alternatives. That's a separate topic.
And no while it didn't start this week it's obviously getting worse and worse.
I'm sorry, even Torah defers to human judges. It's not that there's no BETTER way to do things, there IS NO OTHER WAY to do things (at least not until we develop fully intelligent AIs, who may or may not be impartial as well...)

But in the bottom line I agree with you. 100% of the problems humans face could be solved if there were just no humans around to mess things up...

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2015, 11:51:37 AM »
The concept of a jury is even worse. A bunch of people who never passed first grade deciding on matters of life and death.
Your elitist view now explains a lot. Sit on a jury once and then maybe we can have an intelligent discussion about being biased.  :)
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2015, 11:52:33 AM »
I think yesterday's ACA opinion was legally more atrocious than today's.  You can judge by reading the dissents; yesterday's had some very valid points.  I have yet to read today's.

How many constitutional lawyers do we have here?

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2015, 11:53:16 AM »
I'm sorry, even Torah defers to human judges. It's not that there's no BETTER way to do things, there IS NO OTHER WAY to do things (at least not until we develop fully intelligent AIs, who may or may not be impartial as well...)
Excuse me. The Torah defers to human judges who operate in accordance with halacha because although mistakes can happen once we do what's required of us it's in the hands of God. This reasoning does not apply to secular judges who are obviously so liberal and blinded by Western moral corruption they can't rule straight on anything.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2015, 11:55:12 AM »
Excuse me. The Torah defers to human judges who operate in accordance with halacha because although mistakes can happen once we do what's required of us it's in the hands of God. This reasoning does not apply to secular judges who are obviously so liberal and blinded by Western moral corruption they can't rule straight on anything.

...based on your interpretation of the constitution.  Have you read the opinion?

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2015, 11:55:38 AM »
Your realistic view now explains a lot.
FTFY

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2015, 11:56:38 AM »
Excuse me. The Torah defers to human judges who operate in accordance with halacha because although mistakes can happen once we do what's required of us it's in the hands of God. This reasoning does not apply to secular judges who are obviously so liberal and blinded by Western moral corruption they can't rule straight on anything.
So you would rather have them offer a religious ruling in this case?

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2015, 11:58:04 AM »
FTFY
I guess slamming everyone that ever served on a jury is a realistic view.  ::)
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