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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2015, 12:23:45 PM »
Your right it was Kennedy appointed by Reagan...
Everyone knew this was coming. Kennedy told me a year ago he'd vote for gay marriage.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #61 on: June 26, 2015, 12:24:53 PM »
Do individuals usually get more liberal as they get older?
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #62 on: June 26, 2015, 12:25:30 PM »
Stop the jokes! The country was based on a moral code of conduct and the SCOTUS just usurped that entire code.
The only moral code this country is founded on is the constitution and the bill of rights. Unless you can prove that the recent ruling is unconstitutional (like some are claiming regarding the ACA ruling) you have no case here.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #63 on: June 26, 2015, 12:26:11 PM »
No I want the old religious views this country was founded upon (Protestant work ethic, morality, whatever name you want to call it) to make the rules.

Like Roberts said in the dissent:

Gay rights can celebrate a win today and they should celebrate but this was not based on anything to do with the constitution.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #64 on: June 26, 2015, 12:27:54 PM »
Do individuals usually get more liberal as they get older?

I think the opposite is true. Like they say: If you are under 20 (today probably 30) and your not a liberal you have no heart and if your over 30 and not a conservative you have no head.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #65 on: June 26, 2015, 12:29:44 PM »
Like Roberts said in the dissent:

Gay rights can celebrate a win today and they should celebrate but this was not based on anything to do with the constitution.
This is what is great about these discussions. Quote the guy to make your point when he agrees with you but bash him when he disagrees.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #66 on: June 26, 2015, 12:30:57 PM »
A moral view. A historical view that has held sway since the beginning of civilization. Not an enlightened decision based on popular opinion.

Homosexuality was widely accepted in multiple civilizations. It became more taboo as Christianity spread. As did general sexual discussions. Native Americans, Greeks, Romans, etc. 

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2015, 12:31:00 PM »
This country was based on a set of rules they are not meant to be fundamentally changed. Whats next that we should change because of feelings? Love who you want but Marriage as defined by LAW should never change.
why should marriage be defined by law at all
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #68 on: June 26, 2015, 12:32:37 PM »
Do individuals usually get more liberal as they get older?

it looks like they do -- it's too mellow. Also, no problem with equal rights -- but to redefine marriage and impose it on each state is not their place.
For example -- if they are really redefining marriage to include these unions for the sake of equal rights, then the Suprem Court is not providing equal rights to those who want a 3-partner union.
i.e. Until what point does broadening the 'marriage' definition end?
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2015, 12:33:53 PM »
I think the opposite is true. Like Krauthammer says: If you are under 20 (today probably 30) and your not a liberal you have no heart and if your over 30 and not a conservative you have no head.
FTFY. Typical statement for a liberal turned quasi conservative
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #70 on: June 26, 2015, 12:33:56 PM »
it looks like they do -- it's too mellow. Also, no problem with equal rights -- but to redefine marriage and impose it on each state is not their place.
For example -- if they are really redefining marriage to include these unions for the sake of equal rights, then the Suprem Court is not providing equal rights to those who want a 3-partner union.
i.e. Until what point does broadening the 'marriage' definition end?

Moronic slippery slope argument. Equal means the same as someone else. Where do you see marriage trinities?

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #71 on: June 26, 2015, 12:35:11 PM »
Moronic slippery slope argument. Equal means the same as someone else. Where do you see marriage trinities?
Mormons did it until relatively recently
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #72 on: June 26, 2015, 12:36:05 PM »
Mormons did it until relatively recently
Moronic slippery slope argument. Equal means the same as someone else. Where do you see legal marriage trinities?
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #73 on: June 26, 2015, 12:37:49 PM »
Moronic slippery slope argument. Equal means the same as someone else. Where do you see marriage trinities?
Equal rights for the second spouse to marry the person, just like the first one was allowed.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2015, 12:38:52 PM »
Homosexuality was widely accepted in multiple civilizations. It became more taboo as Christianity spread. As did general sexual discussions. Native Americans, Greeks, Romans, etc.
Iv'e heard that liberal media claim. This country was founded on Christian principles of morality so it's irrelevant anyways.
The only moral code this country is founded on is the constitution and the bill of rights. Unless you can prove that the recent ruling is unconstitutional (like some are claiming regarding the ACA ruling) you have no case here.
That's simply false. If it were true a whole host of other things (polygamy, marrying animals, etc.) would also e legal. Who knows? Give it a few years and at the rate Western society is "progressing" (going backwards) maybe they will be. After all, the guy loves his dog and the Const. doesn't ban it.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #75 on: June 26, 2015, 12:40:57 PM »
Iv'e heard that liberal media claim. This country was founded on Christian principles of morality so it's irrelevant anyways.
Read what he quoted from you, and know when to admit you are wrong about a point.

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #76 on: June 26, 2015, 12:41:18 PM »
Iv'e heard that liberal media claim. This country was founded on Christian principles of morality so it's irrelevant anyways.
The only moral code this country is founded on is the constitution and the bill of rights. Unless you can prove that the recent ruling is unconstitutional (like some are claiming regarding the ACA ruling) you have no case here.
The fact that the founders were Christian doesn't make this a Christian country. You are quickly forgetting how much Jews enjoyed their stay in Christian Theocracies....

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #77 on: June 26, 2015, 12:43:16 PM »
Mormons did it until relatively recently

So did Jews.....

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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #78 on: June 26, 2015, 12:45:48 PM »
So did Jews.....
I don't think 1/5 of the world's existence is recent. But yes they used to and sefardim still can.
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Re: Supreme Court of the United States
« Reply #79 on: June 26, 2015, 12:46:28 PM »
So did Jews.....
not nearly as recent. Among Ashkenezim It stopped close to a thousand years ago
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