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Barclay Arrival Plus Devaluation
« on: July 02, 2015, 11:19:04 AM »
Likely deserves a new thread.

Seems like this is confirmed.

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  • Decrease in rebate – the 10% rebate on travel redemptions is now a 5% rebate on all redemptions
  • Increase in minimum redemption – travel redemptions will now require a minimum 10,000-point ($100) redemption
  • Changes to what merchants are eligible for travel redemptions
  • No more free TripIt Pro subscription

Seems like this is in effect for people who applied 7/1/2015 and forward. Changes for existing members seem to be in September.
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Re: Barclay Arrival Plus Devaluation
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2015, 11:21:41 AM »
Likely deserves a new thread.

Seems like this is confirmed.

Seems like this is in effect for people who applied 7/1/2015 and forward. Changes for existing members seem to be in September.

As I hoped and assumed.

Stinks for the long-term, though.

Where is this confirmed?

Lot of changes for a card so new.

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Re: Barclay Arrival Plus Devaluation
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2015, 11:27:57 AM »
Ironically, it will hurt more who are trying to use the card normally vs.  Refundables

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Re: Barclay Arrival Plus Devaluation
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2015, 11:28:55 AM »
As I hoped and assumed.

Stinks for the long-term, though.

Where is this confirmed?

Lot of changes for a card so new.
Few bloggers on BA.
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Re: Barclay Arrival Plus Devaluation
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2015, 11:34:42 AM »
Few bloggers on BA.

Not that I believe it's worth it to keep this card after the first year anyway, but these devals cement the decision.
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Re: Barclay Arrival Plus Devaluation
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2015, 11:38:27 AM »
Few bloggers on BA.

Forgive my ignorance but what does BA stand for?

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Re: Barclay Arrival Plus Devaluation
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2015, 11:39:17 AM »
Forgive my ignorance but what does BA stand for?
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Re: Barclay Arrival Plus Devaluation
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2015, 12:29:38 PM »
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Re: Barclay Arrival Plus Devaluation
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2015, 12:30:34 PM »
Not that I believe it's worth it to keep this card after the first year anyway, but these devals cement the decision.
I assume, given your travels, you prefer the points earning cards (SPG, SP, INK) over this?
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Re: Barclay Arrival Plus Devaluation
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2015, 12:33:13 PM »
http://milestomemories.boardingarea.com/barclays-arrival-changes/
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This is insane. Now the card goes from being a 2.2% cashback card to a 2.1% card. Considering you can get a Citi Double Cash or a Fidelity Amex and earn 2% with NO ANNUAL FEE, you would need to spend $89,000 per year on the Arrival Plus to justify the annual fee.

2% on $89,000 = $1,780
2.1% on $89,000 = $1,869
Difference = $89

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Red Card (assuming cash back is more valuable than points)
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Re: Barclay Arrival Plus Devaluation
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2015, 12:36:49 PM »
I assume, given your travels, you prefer the points earning cards (SPG, SP, INK) over this?

I do, but for non-bonused spend, I usually put on a cashback card.  Because there are 2% cards with no AF's it'd be foolish to keep this one, as the extra 0.1% doesn't justify the extra cost.
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Re: Barclay Arrival Plus Devaluation
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2015, 12:56:28 PM »
http://milestomemories.boardingarea.com/barclays-arrival-changes/
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Red Card (assuming cash back is more valuable than points)

His math is correct, but his numbers aren't.

The break-even point is really $80,100.

At 2.1111111% with AF of $89, cash back on $80,100 = $1691
At 2.0% with $0 AF, cash back on $80,100 = $1,602
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Re: Barclay Arrival Plus Devaluation
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2015, 01:00:06 PM »
cancelled airline tickets  8)

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Re: Barclay Arrival Plus Devaluation
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2015, 01:08:23 PM »
cancelled airline tickets  8)

How does that affect and/or offset the reduction in rebate?  ???
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Re: Barclay Arrival Plus Devaluation
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2015, 01:26:41 PM »
How does that affect and/or offset the reduction in rebate?  ???

just that the card is still going to be great for lot's of us.

Not arguing with your point that if someone spends less then 90K a year then it doesn't pay.

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Re: Barclay Arrival Plus Devaluation
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2015, 01:48:34 PM »
just that the card is still going to be great for lot's of us.

Not arguing with your point that if someone spends less then 90K a year then it doesn't pay.
The only thing the refundable help with is the increased redemption threshold and more limited travel categories.

It doesn't affect the trip it pro subscription or, most importantly, the lower rebate.

Even so, even at 2.2%, this isn't a card I planned on keeping, as even $40k is too much of a breakeven.
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Re: Barclay Arrival Plus Devaluation
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2015, 02:16:59 PM »

Likely deserves a new thread.

Seems like this is confirmed.

Seems like this is in effect for people who applied 7/1/2015 and forward. Changes for existing members seem to be in September.

But the two reps didn't agree on the date of this change. 1 said it's started today the other said it's going to start sometime in September.
So I guess both reps where right in a way.