FBI raids jewish college

[eis517]

If you want the Halacha in detail go read up about it... the bottom line is ( and i have heard this from a number of dayanim ) if you speed you are braking the law but you are not chaiv a chatas ( nor are you committing a chilul Hashem but thats another misconception for another day) The only taxes that is required is a property tax from a king whom owns the land and a tax that is based on the head count of a specific community so that if you abstain from paying it makes other jews ( / ppl  not sure)  having to pay more. taxes in the US doesnt fall under either category

http://www.yeshiva.co/ask/?id=6222

[ADG]

Well he never said Judaism promotes committing fraud all he said is that jewish law doesn't punish for breaking "those" laws.

Theres a clear thinker

[clear thinker]

http://www.yeshiva.co/ask/?id=6222

according to halacha... your LR may not know so much about halacha dont worry thats common too

[ADG]

If you want the Halacha in detail go read up about it... the bottom line is ( and i have heard this from a number of dayanim ) if you speed you are braking the law but you are not chaiv a chatas ( nor are you committing a chilul Hashem but thats another misconception for another day) The only taxes that is required is a property tax from a king whom owns the land and a tax that is based on the head count of a specific community so that if you abstain from paying it makes other jews ( / ppl  not sure)  having to pay more. taxes in the US doesnt fall under either category

http://www.yeshiva.co/ask/?id=6222

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Well he never said Judaism promotes committing fraud all he said is that jewish law doesn't punish for breaking "those" laws.

He was promoting committing fraud (Its a great thing to take that money!) then used Jewish law to back his comment up. This was after he tried the lame cheating on taxes argument.

[ADG]

He was promoting committing fraud (Its a great thing to take that money!) then used Jewish law to back his comment up. This was after he tried the lame cheating on taxes argument.

I believe it was before...calling it lame is lame unless you can discard the argument logically  #GMCM

[skyguy918]

If you want the Halacha in detail go read up about it... the bottom line is ( and i have heard this from a number of dayanim ) if you speed you are braking the law but you are not chaiv a chatas ( nor are you committing a chilul Hashem but thats another misconception for another day) The only taxes that is required is a property tax from a king whom owns the land and a tax that is based on the head count of a specific community so that if you abstain from paying it makes other jews ( / ppl  not sure)  having to pay more. taxes in the US doesnt fall under either category 

Source?

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Regarding your comment that people say Dina D'Malchuta does not apply to a democracy, this is not true at least according to the opinion of the Rishonim (Rashbam Bava Batra 54b. Responsa Or Zarua 745) that the king's authority regarding Dina D'Malchuta Dina derives from the consent of the people, which exists even more in a democratic regime. And so rule contemporary Halachic authorities (Tzitz Eliezer 16, 49. Igrot Moshe Choshen Mishpat 1, 88. Mishneh Halachot 14, 119. Yechaveh Da'at 5, 64).

[ADG]

Dina demalchusa Dina is one of the biggest misconceptions in Juadisim due to it being very controversial and many of the poskim had there books censored  by governments over the years.Most ppl do not even know what the halacha is coming to say( the Alter Rebbe has a very good take on it if anyone would like to read up on it in chashen mishpat)     

Dont remeber the siman but the seyif is 15

[MarkS]

Dont remeber the siman but the seyif is 15

Come visit my house.
Don't remember the Street but the address is 1228   

[mb1]

Come visit my house.
Don't remember the Street but the address is 1228   

A few blocks away from 770?

[ADG]

I gave you the book and the topic... you probably didnt even look but if you did cant find your way around such an organized book...

[etech0]

So Jewish law promotes committing fraud against the US government and says you should feel bad for the person when they get caught?

no

[Aaaron]

This is a fun read.

[dealfinder85]

Source?

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ignore him
dina demalchusa of course applies to taxes, especially our taxes
you are 100% chayav to pay your taxes

[Aj3042]

Did anyone here actually learn the halachos before speaking? I mean I have an opinion too (which I won't be sharing right now) but I don't actually know the halachos. It's a very long and complicated sugya with lots of machlokes and AFAIK one can say either way and back himself up (which in monetary dinim is itself often a way of paskening, והמבין יבין). Either way people should discuss the matter purely in a legal or "ethical" sense and not venture into halacha if they don't know the halachos clearly (hint-most people that actually know aren't on DDF).

[avremie]

This is a fun read.

No it's a horrible chillul hashem.

[ADG]

If you want the Halacha in detail go read up about it... the bottom line is ( and i have heard this from a number of dayanim ) if you speed you are braking the law but you are not chaiv a chatas ( nor are you committing a chilul Hashem but thats another misconception for another day) The only taxes that is required is a property tax from a king whom owns the land and a tax that is based on the head count of a specific community so that if you abstain from paying it makes other jews ( / ppl  not sure)  having to pay more. taxes in the US doesnt fall under either category

Are you really going to make that day today...

[freddy]

If you want the Halacha in detail go read up about it... the bottom line is ( and i have heard this from a number of dayanim ) if you speed you are braking the law but you are not chaiv a chatas ( nor are you committing a chilul Hashem but thats another misconception for another day) The only taxes that is required is a property tax from a king whom owns the land and a tax that is based on the head count of a specific community so that if you abstain from paying it makes other jews ( / ppl  not sure)  having to pay more. taxes in the US doesnt fall under either category

I believe youre mixing 2 halochos together the halocho that your only michuyiv if others will pay more, is only
 when it's a head count tax and  the collecter neglected to collect from you.

Dina demalchusa Dina is one of the biggest misconceptions in Juadisim due to it being very controversial ?? ?? ?? and many of the poskim had there books censored  by governments over the years.Most ppl do not even know what the halacha is coming to say( the Alter Rebbe has a very good take on it if anyone would like to read up on it in chashen mishpat)     

Either way Reb Moshe has a teshuvah about cheating the gov will try to find it.

[ADG]

Freddie its hard to address your point as you have infused your words with mine...but both of those laws are based on the Dina demalchusa dina concept

But your signature quote is really appropriate and I wouldn't expect anything less from you

I believe youre mixing 2 halochos together the halocho that your only michuyiv if others will pay more, is only
 when it's a head count tax and  the collecter neglected to collect from you.

... or you caused the collector to neglect collecting from you simply known as tax evasion

[freddy]

Freddie freddy its hard to address your point as you have infused your words with mine...but both of those laws are based on the Dina demalchusa dina concept

I edited it now.

But your signature quote is really appropriate and I wouldn't expect anything less from you

Thanks for the compliment, but I think you mixed me up with someone else.