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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #200 on: March 08, 2022, 12:44:58 PM »
https://worldisraelnews.com/irgc-plot-to-assassinate-former-top-u-s-officials-revealed/

@CountValentine Seems like the Justice Department under Biden is doing the same as under Obama. Not prosecuting Iran in order to avoid the deal falling through. Unbelievable.
That could be true but we are talking about the deal and if it will slow down them getting a nuke.
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #201 on: March 08, 2022, 12:48:44 PM »
Rated 5 pretzels. What happened under the original agreement and how do we know? I don't know the answer to these questions so it can go either way
1 - You need to get your own scale and stop stealing.  :P
I don't know if enrichment went up under the short time the agreement was in place. We do know enrichment went up once the deal was voided. Lets remember the last admin wasn't against a deal but wanted a better deal. They failed!!!
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #202 on: March 08, 2022, 12:48:48 PM »
That could be true but we are talking about the deal and if it will slow down them getting a nuke.
Why are so obsessed with talking yourself into it?

In a normal world anyone signing the deal would be admitted into a mental institution. There is no way anyone can't see through it. Whoever pretends they aren't is either nuts or evil.

Nothing personal.

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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #203 on: March 08, 2022, 12:51:05 PM »
Why are so obsessed with talking yourself into it?

In a normal world anyone signing the deal would be admitted into a mental institution. There is no way anyone can't see through it. Whoever pretends they aren't is either nuts or evil.

Nothing personal.
I understand the emotions.
It is no different than making a deal with NK or Russia.
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #204 on: March 08, 2022, 12:52:41 PM »
Is it not in the best interest of the US to delay them in getting a nuke?
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #205 on: March 08, 2022, 01:22:16 PM »
1 - You need to get your own scale and stop stealing. 
I don't know if enrichment went up under the short time the agreement was in place. We do know enrichment went up once the deal was voided. Lets remember the last admin wasn't against a deal but wanted a better deal. They failed!!!
Why?

If it went up but slowed then voiding it helped. If it went faster then it did not. There was no expectation that it would suddenly halt everything.
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #206 on: March 08, 2022, 01:25:08 PM »
I understand the emotions.
It is no different than making a deal with NK or Russia.
Is it not in the best interest of the US to delay them in getting a nuke?
It's logic. It does nothing. You are giving everything away to mass murderers in exchange for nothing. That's shameful and willful assistance to a regime of terror.

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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #207 on: March 08, 2022, 01:28:55 PM »
Why?

If it went up but slowed then voiding it helped. If it went faster then it did not. There was no expectation that it would suddenly halt everything.
Here is what we know. They stuck to the limits in the deal but went past them once the US voided the deal. They are now closer to a nuke because the deal was voided. That is not in our best interest, a deal is.
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #208 on: March 08, 2022, 01:30:23 PM »
It's logic. It does nothing.
It did do something. It slowed their progress towards a nuke.
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #209 on: March 08, 2022, 01:31:09 PM »
Here is what we know. They stuck to the limits in the deal but went past them once the US voided the deal. They are now closer to a nuke because the deal was voided. That is not in our best interest, a deal is.
Source that they kept to the limits in the deal?

If it is true that seems like the deal was beneficial. Anyone with counter points?
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #211 on: March 08, 2022, 01:52:40 PM »
Here is what we know. They stuck to the limits in the deal but went past them once the US voided the deal. They are now closer to a nuke because the deal was voided. That is not in our best interest, a deal is.
Now zoom out.

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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #212 on: March 08, 2022, 02:28:36 PM »
Now zoom out.
Ok so I zoomed out and see a bigger picture. Making the deal and lifting the sanctions will put them in a better position when the deal expires and then we have a bigger problem.
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #213 on: March 08, 2022, 02:29:08 PM »
Source that they kept to the limits in the deal?

If it is true that seems like the deal was beneficial. Anyone with counter points?
That's easy. Simple, the deal had almost no other restrictions, so they could have prepared everything else for nuclear weapons and then just up the level of enrichment which at their point is only a matter of months.

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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #214 on: March 08, 2022, 02:34:23 PM »
A kick the can down the road plan is more acceptable to most than no plan at all.
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #215 on: March 08, 2022, 03:03:26 PM »
A kick the can down the road plan is more acceptable to most than no plan at all.
The mighty USA has no options??? More like no will. Why did Obama not support the Iranian people who protesting the regime's sham elections in 2009?

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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #216 on: March 08, 2022, 05:05:45 PM »
That's easy. Simple, the deal had almost no other restrictions, so they could have prepared everything else for nuclear weapons and then just up the level of enrichment which at their point is only a matter of months.
I get the theory but is there anything concrete to back that up?
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #217 on: March 08, 2022, 05:07:41 PM »
The mighty USA has no options??? More like no will. Why did Obama not support the Iranian people who protesting the regime's sham elections in 2009?
Is there anything Trump did that can be shown to have helped in any way?
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #218 on: March 13, 2022, 12:24:09 PM »
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #219 on: March 13, 2022, 12:30:49 PM »

When watching the video remember who's best interest he has in mind.

The breakout time for Iran to develop a nuke is less with no deal. The only way to stop them without a deal is a war.   
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