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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #10650 on: December 03, 2020, 07:52:25 PM »
Nishtanu hatva'im? We're not talking about things claimed to have happened 15 million years ago.
Aha! Chazal must be wrong! Wikipedia knows best...
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #10651 on: December 03, 2020, 07:55:10 PM »
This is not true, and perhaps even apikursus.
Saying Chazal were wrong on science isn't Apikursus.
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #10652 on: December 03, 2020, 08:06:48 PM »
Saying Chazal were wrong on science isn't Apikursus.
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #10653 on: December 03, 2020, 08:08:21 PM »
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #10654 on: December 03, 2020, 08:11:04 PM »
Saying Chazal were wrong on science isn't Apikursus.

I don't know if it's Apikursus, but it's certainly tipshus
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #10655 on: December 03, 2020, 08:26:05 PM »
Saying Chazal were wrong on science we don't understand how everything in Chazal aligns with today's scientific beliefs isn't Apikursus.
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #10656 on: December 03, 2020, 08:35:14 PM »
Let's call a spade a spade. An animal impregnating itself isn't a 'scientific belief'. That's a transparent attempt to paint a fact as a disputable 'belief'.

Wikipedia may be wrong, but if the only way to reconcile Yiddishkeit is to claim that, and claiming Wikipedia is right is Apikursus, you are a much bigger Apikores than me. If a Female of these species was to be born in a locked glass box in your house, and proceed to give birth again, you would have to believe Judaism is entirely false. Whereas if you come to terms with the fact that not every non-religious/halachic statement in Chazal is necessarily true, you can still believe Moshe received the Torah in Har Sinai.
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #10657 on: December 03, 2020, 08:37:30 PM »
Not endorsing everything there, but here is a great compilation of sources on this topic.

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הטענה לפיה חז"ל רכשו את ידיעותיהם המדעיות מחכמי האומות, וממילא יכלו לטעות לגביהן, אינה המצאה חדשה ובוודאי שלא "דברי כפירה", אלא דעתם המפורשת של רבים מגדולי הראשונים והאחרונים. כך כתבו רב שרירא גאון[3], רבנו חננאל[4], הרמב"ם[5], רבי אברהם בן הרמב"ם[6], המאירי[7], רלב"ג[8], הרדב"ז[9], רבי יוסף קארו[10], אמרי בינה[11], רבי שמואל יפה אשכנזי[12], יש"ר מקנדיאה[13], רמח"ל[14], פחד יצחק[15], חתם סופר[16], מהר"ם שיק[17], רש"ר הירש[18], ה"בריחי זהב"[19], ה"בן איש חי"[20], "יד יהודה"21], "קסת הסופר"[22], רבי מנחם נחום פרידמן משטיפנשט[23], הריא"ה הרצוג[24], הרב אליהו דסלר[25], הרב מנחם מנדל כשר[26], הרב משה פיינשטיין[27], הרב מרצבך[28], הרש"ז אויערבך[29], הרב חיים דוד הלוי[30], הרב שלמה פישר[31], הרב שלמה קורח[32], הרב משה לוי[33] ועוד רבים. ניתן לסכם את הדברים בפשטות בלשונו של רב שמואל בן חפני גאון[34]: "דברי הקדמונים, אם הם סותרים להשכל – אין אנו חייבים לקבלם". היו אף שהציעו להתייחס באופן דומה לחלק מחישובים הכרונולוגיים שבסדר עולם רבה[35].

https://www.knowingfaith.co.il/תורה-ומדע/ידיעות-מדעיות-בדברי-חז-ל
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #10659 on: December 03, 2020, 08:48:11 PM »
https://www.hidabroot.org/article/83047
There is no doubt that Chazal had a lot of knoweldge of Physics, but while being nice to see,  what are you suggesting it proves?

If you're looking for more examples, the Gemara in Shabbos brings an opinion that the circumference of the world is approx 40,000KM, way before the secular world knew the world was round. This is actually quite interesting because it has direct implications to time of Tzes.
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #10660 on: December 03, 2020, 09:24:20 PM »
If they can impregnate themselves without males why do they need to give birth to males to keep the species alive?
They only give birth to males

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #10661 on: December 04, 2020, 03:15:26 AM »
I hope someone can recall the details.
There's a story that chazal said something is a certain way, they were told that science says otherwise, so they paskened according to that.
Then it was nigaleh that the way they said originally was correct, but they stuck with their later psak

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #10664 on: December 06, 2020, 11:58:41 AM »
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