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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14140 on: March 29, 2023, 03:20:51 PM »
The bakery isn't a store?
There are those that don't want to rely on the Heter Mechira even for stores/bakeries. So they prefer flour that was Milled after Pesach
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14141 on: March 29, 2023, 03:26:40 PM »
The bakery isn't a store?

Stores can't do without mechiras chometz for חמץ גמור but not everyone will buy that and would rather look for baked after pesach products, sort of your need isn't my problem, that's why the bakeries are all trying to do nowadays baked אחר הפסח.

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14142 on: March 29, 2023, 03:38:21 PM »
Stores can't do without mechiras chometz for חמץ גמור but not everyone will buy that and would rather look for baked after pesach products, sort of your need isn't my problem, that's why the bakeries are all trying to do nowadays baked אחר הפסח.

Which is mostly meaningless, because regular (bleached) flour is חמץ.
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14143 on: March 29, 2023, 03:39:49 PM »
IIRC in Lubavitch they do a stronger kinyan for mechiras chametz and they sell חמץ גמור. Not everywhere was the minhag to sell חמץ גמור and only stores did - through a clearer kinyan - because of their need for it. As such there are people who are reluctant to buy sold חמץ גמור, hence the need for bakeries to do אחר הפסח.

Which is exactly why I stated

Those signs and stamps only cater to people who aren't aware yet that they are Lubavitchers. Any Lubavitcher with a drop of self respect would avoid something that says anything with the words "אחר הפסח".
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14144 on: March 29, 2023, 03:41:09 PM »
Which is mostly meaningless, because regular (bleached) flour is חמץ.
https://oukosher.org/faqs/i-hear-conflicting-reports-in-regard-to-selling-pure-chometz-vs-items-which-are-mixtures-containing-chometz-could-you-please-expand-on-this-subject/
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In regard to white flour it is questionable whether it is considered pure chometz. This is because the grains are washed quickly and most likely have not been in contact with water for an amount of time sufficient enough to become chometz.  Therefore, some who will not sell pure chometz will sell flour.

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14145 on: March 29, 2023, 04:01:37 PM »
Stores can't do without mechiras chometz for חמץ גמור but not everyone will buy that and would rather look for baked after pesach products, sort of your need isn't my problem, that's why the bakeries are all trying to do nowadays baked אחר הפסח.
But they can do the stronger kinyan like other stores?
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14146 on: March 29, 2023, 04:03:36 PM »
Which is exactly why I stated

I understand why Lubavitchers wouldn't care for baked אחר הפסח but why would they avoid it??

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14147 on: March 29, 2023, 04:06:12 PM »
But they can do the stronger kinyan like other stores?

Because even a stronger kinyan would not suffice for all מדקדקים

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14148 on: March 29, 2023, 05:24:25 PM »
I understand why Lubavitchers wouldn't care for baked אחר הפסח but why would they avoid it??

1. כיון דנפיק מפומיה דרב כהנא וכו'.
2. להוציא מדעת הטועים.
3. שפיץ חב"ד.


Three reasons which are actually different ways of saying the same thing.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14149 on: March 29, 2023, 05:39:46 PM »
1. כיון דנפיק מפומיה דרב כהנא וכו'.
2. להוציא מדעת הטועים.
3. שפיץ חב"ד.


Three reasons which are actually different ways of saying the same thing.

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14150 on: March 29, 2023, 07:22:51 PM »
Those signs and stamps only cater to people who aren't aware yet that they are Lubavitchers. Any Lubavitcher with a drop of self respect would avoid something that says anything with the words "אחר הפסח".
Excuse me, are you comfortable buying something from before pesach that was sold without an arev kablan?

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14151 on: March 29, 2023, 07:25:22 PM »
There are those that don't want to rely on the Heter Mechira even for stores/bakeries. So they prefer flour that was Milled after Pesach
Until (weeks or months go by and) they forget about it, which is when the stores pull out the old stuff

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14152 on: March 29, 2023, 07:30:54 PM »
Excuse me, are you comfortable buying something from before pesach that was sold without an arev kablan?

Who sells chometz without an ערב קבלן?

I buy mostly in Crown Heights and the local Rabbonim definitely do it with an ערב קבלן.
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14153 on: March 29, 2023, 08:05:35 PM »
Until (weeks or months go by and) they forget about it, which is when the stores pull out the old stuff
Which is why my Father would go buy out whatever Chometz we needed as long as they still had the print (not stickers) on them, usually it was enough to last until Rosh Hashana time. Flour we got straight from a bakery which we trusted and knew that the it was milled after Pesach
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14154 on: March 29, 2023, 08:14:09 PM »
Who sells chometz without an ערב קבלן?

I buy mostly in Crown Heights and the local Rabbonim definitely do it with an ערב קבלן.

How much of what the local shops sell 3-4 days after Pesach is restocked after Pesach?
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14155 on: March 29, 2023, 09:52:35 PM »
Who sells chometz without an ערב קבלן?

I buy mostly in Crown Heights and the local Rabbonim definitely do it with an ערב קבלן.
But the companies/factory/bakery/wholesalers/distributor might not sell through a arev kablan.
My point is that "לאחר הפסח " is very crucial specifically for a lubavitcher
Obviously this is if we assume that "לאחר הפסח " even means anything
ETA: I see you hinted to it here:
Was answered:

Though IINM R' Landa used to say (maybe at his שבת הגדול דרשה) that it should be avoided, as חמץ which was properly sold is definitely not problematic למנהגנו שמוכרין חמץ גמור, but if it was baked after Pesach, then maybe there was תערובת חמץ that wasn't sold properly included in the dough or batter that was made after Pesach. (this is a vague recollection of something I heard in his name, so please don't quote this unless confirmed).
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14156 on: March 30, 2023, 03:24:16 AM »
I remember one Erev Pesach, 8AM, someone asked the proprietor of Sanhedria Bakery if the pastries were nitchan achar Pesach.
The response:
"מה פתאום! זה כשר לפסח - לאוכלי חמץ!"
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14157 on: March 30, 2023, 10:13:46 AM »
Any Lubavitcher with a drop of self respect would avoid something that says anything with the words "אחר הפסח".
Does this apply to this comment as well? Just wondering...
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14158 on: March 30, 2023, 09:09:34 PM »
No, I'm not in this picture

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #14159 on: March 30, 2023, 09:26:31 PM »
No, I'm not in this picture

Who/where is this?