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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #5340 on: September 20, 2015, 12:13:17 AM »

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #5341 on: September 20, 2015, 12:17:55 AM »

he can't pick one shita in a machlokes mechaber/Rama and then go prancing around like that forcing apon anyone who does he think he is
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #5342 on: September 20, 2015, 12:20:25 AM »
Shlock, are you Sephardi or Ashkenazi?

And for some reason, most Sephardim also do kapparos even against the psak of the mechaber. There is a Yabia Omer Teshuva explaining why.
Rav Ovadia who always paskens as the mechaber also did kapparos. Arizal also did.

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #5343 on: September 20, 2015, 12:20:53 AM »
he can't pick one shita in a machlokes mechaber/Rama and then go prancing around like that forcing apon anyone who does he think he is
Do you think the woman in the picture care for any shita?

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #5344 on: September 20, 2015, 12:24:01 AM »
Do you think the woman in the picture care for any shita?
not her, shlock doc was defending a friend who decided that he'd stick his head where it doesn't belong and would be daas hamachrea
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #5345 on: September 20, 2015, 12:33:30 AM »
Shlock, are you Sephardi or Ashkenazi?

And for some reason, most Sephardim also do kapparos even against the psak of the mechaber. There is a Yabia Omer Teshuva explaining why.
Rav Ovadia who always paskens as the mechaber also did kapparos. Arizal also did.

I'm Ashkenazi and you're right, it does seem like kapparos has survived many rabbinic challenges over the centuries.  For hundreds of years, rabbis have been trying to ban kaparos. The Rashba, the Ramban, the Bais Yosef and more recently, the Aruch Hashulchan all wanted to ban kaparos. Some did, and no one listened, others did not because they knew no one would listen.

Classically, the primary halachic objections to kaparos are the issue of "darkei Emori" (pagan ritual) and the likelihood of flawed shechita due to the high volume of chickens being shechted in a short amount of time.

Kaparos lives on. In fact kaparos with chickens has only increased in popularity in my lifetime.

Fascinating minhag...

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #5346 on: September 20, 2015, 12:56:48 AM »



Classically, the primary halachic objections to kaparos are the issue of "darkei Emori" (pagan ritual)


Fascinating minhag...

This "issue" can be multiple options:

That it is a pagan ritual.
That it was a pagan ritual.
That it can be erroneously construed to look like a pagan ritual.
That it could lead to other pagan rituals.

So its not necessarily true to say that the opposed all believe that this custom IS a pagan ritual.

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #5347 on: September 20, 2015, 01:07:39 AM »



Classically, the primary halachic objections to kaparos are the issue of "darkei Emori" (pagan ritual) and the likelihood of flawed shechita due to the high volume of chickens being shechted in a short amount of time.

You have are obviously unfamiliar with the shchita speeds at a shlachthoiz.

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #5348 on: September 20, 2015, 01:08:43 AM »

This "issue" can be multiple options:

That it is a pagan ritual.
That it was a pagan ritual.
That it can be erroneously construed to look like a pagan ritual.
That it could lead to other pagan rituals.

So its not necessarily true to say that the opposed all believe that this custom IS a pagan ritual.

Sure, there are always a number of ways of looking at everything.  I'm just fascinated in the staying power of this minhag. 

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #5349 on: September 20, 2015, 01:09:37 AM »

You have are obviously unfamiliar with the shchita speeds at a shlachthoiz.

Not me, this is poskim over the generations...

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #5351 on: September 20, 2015, 01:28:27 AM »
The slaughterhouses weren't on such a mass scale then
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #5352 on: September 20, 2015, 01:33:26 AM »
The slaughterhouses weren't on such a mass scale then
So why aren't those people protesting against the slaughterhouses these days and avoid eating meat?
I guess they have a very little problem with the way the chickens are handled,
It's just they've found an easier cleaner (maybe cheaper) way to do the kopures so why not mock those who use chickens (and they even have poskim on their side)?....

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #5353 on: September 20, 2015, 01:39:41 AM »
So why aren't those people protesting against the slaughterhouses these days and avoid eating meat?
I guess they have a very little problem with the way the chickens are handled,
It's just they've found an easier cleaner (maybe cheaper) way to do the kopures so why not mock those who use chickens (and they even have poskim on their side)?....

do they wear leather shoes? lol

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #5354 on: September 20, 2015, 07:29:55 AM »
So why aren't those people protesting against the slaughterhouses these days and avoid eating meat?
I guess they have a very little problem with the way the chickens are handled,
It's just they've found an easier cleaner (maybe cheaper) way to do the kopures so why not mock those who use chickens (and they even have poskim on their side)?....
They are! There is a whole movement in EY led by amnon yitzchak who declare commercial shchita as 100% treif.

I'm pretty sure that he has some very valid points.

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #5355 on: September 20, 2015, 11:26:11 AM »

This "issue" can be multiple options:

That it is a pagan ritual.
That it was a pagan ritual.
That it can be erroneously construed to look like a pagan ritual.
That it could lead to other pagan rituals.

So its not necessarily true to say that the opposed all believe that this custom IS a pagan ritual.
+1. The M"B, in explaining the shita of the Mechaber, says משום חשש דרכי האמורי.

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #5356 on: September 20, 2015, 11:32:32 AM »
...and it made the post!

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #5357 on: September 20, 2015, 11:47:20 AM »
Watch the whole video of Rina Deitch harrasing everyone @ kaporas:
https://youtu.be/n1w3fxc6X2A

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
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