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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3460 on: May 14, 2014, 06:50:12 PM »
I like the way American is honoring their frequent fliers
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3461 on: May 14, 2014, 08:16:49 PM »

This ones going up over my desk

Got this one in my kitchen :D.
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3462 on: May 14, 2014, 08:22:52 PM »


I once saw ah gantza pilpul on this, filled with chakiras and different peshatim. Apparently it's not as simple as it seems ::).

ETA: Found it, it was actually on Wikipedia. Here's a part of it:
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The paradox suggested by Veronique, "My nose grows now", or in future tense: "will be growing", leaves room for different interpretations. In the novel Pinocchio's nose continues to grow as he lies: "As he spoke, his nose, long though it was, became at least two inches longer."[3] So logicians question if the sentence "My nose will be growing" was the only sentence that Pinocchio spoke, did he tell a lie before he said "My nose will be growing", or was he going to tell a lie—and how long would it take for his nose to start growing?[2]

The present tense of the same sentence "My nose is growing now" or "My nose grows", appears to provide a better opportunity to generate the liar paradox.[2]

The sentence "My nose grows" could be either true or false.

Assume the sentence: "My nose grows now" is true:

Which means that Pinocchio's nose grows now because he truthfully says it is, but then
Pinocchio's nose does not grow now because according to the novel it grows only as Pinocchio lies, but then
Pinocchio's nose grows now because Pinocchio's nose does not grow now, and Pinocchio trustfully says it grows now, and it is false, that makes Pinocchio's sentence to be false, but then
Pinocchio's nose does not grow now because Pinocchio's nose grows now, and Pinocchio trustfully says it grows now, and it is true that makes Pinocchio's sentence to be true, but then
And so on without end.[2]
Assume the sentence: "My nose grows now" is false:

Which means that Pinocchio's nose does not grow now because he falsely says it is, but then
Pinocchio's nose grows now because according to the novel it grows only as Pinocchio lies, but then
Pinocchio's nose does not grow now because Pinocchio's nose grows now, and Pinocchio falsely says it grows now, and it is false that makes Pinocchio's sentence to be true, but then
Pinocchio's nose grows now because Pinocchio's nose does not grow now, and Pinocchio falsely says it grows now, and it is true, that makes Pinocchio's sentence to be false, but then
And so on without end.[2]
And just to make it easier, as Eldridge-Smith states, "Pinocchio’s nose is growing if and only if it is not growing", which makes Pinocchio's sentence to be "a version of the Liar."[2]
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3463 on: May 14, 2014, 08:24:18 PM »
I once saw ah gantza pilpul on this, filled with chakiras and different peshatim. Apparently it's not as simple as it seems ::).
It's like the question, "Can Hashem create a rock that is so heavy that He cannot lift it?" 
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3464 on: May 15, 2014, 10:29:41 AM »
It's like the question, "Can Hashem create a rock that is so heavy that He cannot lift it?"
The answer I heard is "He can, but He would probably not".
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3465 on: May 15, 2014, 10:55:02 AM »
The answer I heard is "He can, but He would probably not".
That's just a (lame) joke.

The answer is no. It's impossible for such a thing to exist.
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3466 on: May 15, 2014, 10:56:36 AM »
That's just a (lame) joke.

The answer is no. It's impossible for such a thing to exist.
I know. But then you're saying that there's something He can't do...
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3467 on: May 15, 2014, 10:58:53 AM »
Do we have to go there?

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3468 on: May 15, 2014, 11:00:38 AM »
Do we have to go there?
Where?

This reminds me of another one:
What happens if an unstoppable force hits an immovable rock?
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3469 on: May 15, 2014, 11:02:34 AM »
I know. But then you're saying that there's something He can't do...
Correct, he cannot create a situation where he is incapable of doing something. Is that so hard to digest? G-d can't NOT do something.
Viewing that as a limitation is pure silliness.
It's only a paradox in semantics, not in logic.

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3470 on: May 15, 2014, 11:04:50 AM »
Correct, he cannot create a situation where he is incapable of doing something. Is that so hard to digest? G-d can't NOT do something.
Viewing that as a limitation is pure silliness.
It's only a paradox in semantics, not in logic.
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3471 on: May 15, 2014, 11:08:31 AM »
Correct, he cannot create a situation where he is incapable of doing something. Is that so hard to digest? G-d can't NOT do something.
Viewing that as a limitation is pure silliness.
It's only a paradox in semantics, not in logic.
+1. Extremely well phrased too.

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3472 on: May 15, 2014, 11:21:03 AM »
+1. Extremely well phrased too.
True but a bit simplified, He can (and did) chose to limit Himself, although obviously it is not a REAL limitation being that He chose to limit Himself and can override that choice at anytime...

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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3473 on: May 15, 2014, 11:26:46 AM »
Anyway back on topic, the Pinochio paradox is just another version of the famous Liar's paradox where someone says "This statement is false", where the only way for the statement to be true is if it is false which would make it true but then it is false............................


ETA: Just noticed that the "Pinocchio paradox" is actually a thing and even has a Wikipedi page.
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3474 on: May 15, 2014, 11:27:18 AM »
yes, or in 2 statements:

The next statement is true
The previous statement is false
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3475 on: May 15, 2014, 11:35:24 AM »
yes, or in 2 statements:

The next statement is true
The previous statement is false
If you enjoy these kinds of things then I would recommend Douglas Hofstadter's book 'Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid'. This book had my head spinning for the few weeks it took me to read it (I couldn't read more than one or 2 chapters at a time).

Or for a less heavy version see the sequel 'I Am A Strange loop'.
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3476 on: May 15, 2014, 11:41:13 AM »
RULE #535: Every rule has an exception. Except this one.
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3477 on: May 15, 2014, 11:49:13 AM »
Correct, he cannot create a situation where he is incapable of doing something. Is that so hard to digest? G-d can't NOT do something.
Viewing that as a limitation is pure silliness.
It's only a paradox in semantics, not in logic.

It actually is a paradox of logic. But means zilch as logic is a finite creation.

G-d can create a rock that he can't lift and he can lift it.
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3478 on: May 15, 2014, 11:50:49 AM »
Along a similar vein, here's a famous drawing by Escher
"I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers which can't be questioned."
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Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #3479 on: May 15, 2014, 11:51:12 AM »

G-d can create a rock that he can't lift and and he can lift it.
Thanks for summarizing what I said :)