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Re: Jonathon pollard to be released!!
« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2015, 11:49:01 PM »
The mitzvah of pidyon shvuyim has nothing to do with whether the person committed a crime.
Not an expert in this area but hard to believe such a blanket statement is true

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Re: Jonathon pollard to be released!!
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2015, 12:37:49 AM »

Any news site would have done that, he's building a news site. Part of what attracts more people is the ability to post first and there's nothing wrong with playing it up. I'm not sure why something which was going to become public anyways needs approval from his family.

Definitely disagree. 1) they repeat a bunch of times in the same short paragraph that they are the first to report it...even for bragging rights and "building up your site" its excessive. And besides, it's the wrong issue to turn into a who-called-the-election-first thing. And 2)  It would go public eventually, however, it had not yet. They were the ones breaking the news. It is a sensitive issue. In fact, in their own words "Shortly after we reported it, his wife, Esther Pollard, as well as Askonim involved requested that TLS take down the article due to its sensitive nature..." If as you say it was going to go public anyhow, why listen to them? Bottom line is that - especially if you are a frum site - the first thing that should through your mind is, let me run this by his family before I let the world know about this. It may be harmful if made public prematurely.

I wonder if you would be talking the same way if this was your father.
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Re: Jonathon pollard to be released!!
« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2015, 12:54:34 AM »
Definitely disagree. 1) they repeat a bunch of times in the same short paragraph that they are the first to report it...even for bragging rights and "building up your site" its excessive. And besides, it's the wrong issue to turn into a who-called-the-election-first thing. And 2)  It would go public eventually, however, it had not yet. They were the ones breaking the news. It is a sensitive issue. In fact, in their own words "Shortly after we reported it, his wife, Esther Pollard, as well as Askonim involved requested that TLS take down the article due to its sensitive nature..." If as you say it was going to go public anyhow, why listen to them? Bottom line is that - especially if you are a frum site - the first thing that should through your mind is, let me run this by his family before I let the world know about this. It may be harmful if made public prematurely.

I wonder if you would be talking the same way if this was your father.
Woah, I was just trying to rationalize their side.

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Re: Jonathon pollard to be released!!
« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2015, 01:06:32 AM »
Not an expert in this area but hard to believe such a blanket statement is true
Because it's false. There's no mitzva of pidyon shvuim for a theif or murderer. I assume same would apply to one who betrays his government.

If my memory serves, according to Bavli B"B (first perek, I'll get exact source tomorrow), the reasoning is that the tzubbur isn't burdened with something a person brought on himself.
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Re: Jonathon pollard to be released!!
« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2015, 01:18:21 AM »
I am not a conspiracy theorist, but something stinks. Pollard must have done more than what has been publicized.
The guy didn't do himself any favors by opening his mouth (and giving national interviews no less) when part of the plea agreement was to shut it.
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Re: Jonathon pollard to be released!!
« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2015, 11:57:13 AM »
Because it's false. There's no mitzva of pidyon shvuim for a theif or murderer. I assume same would apply to one who betrays his government.

maybe his government is israel. would you say the same thing about eli cohen?

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Re: Jonathon pollard to be released!!
« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2015, 12:11:52 PM »
Check back in a bit, I don't think your banned. They just have a buggy website. It's happened to me in the past
I am still banned. I think this one is for real....

Your IP is Banned by the Administrator.

I guess my comments not to make the news of Jonathan's release into a we-were-first thing was too much for them to handle.
And then when I said that they should have first ran it by his wife before publishing that was blasphemy.

Maybe the truth hurts. I don't know.
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Re: Jonathon pollard to be released!!
« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2015, 10:54:23 PM »


"Americans see Mr. Pollard as a traitor of the worst kind and that celebrating his release will only further harm Israel’s already strained relations with America."


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/07/29/opinion/pollards-release-shows-that-israelis-just-dont-get-america.html?_r=0&referrer=

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Re: Jonathon pollard to be released!!
« Reply #51 on: July 31, 2015, 10:01:19 AM »

"Americans see Mr. Pollard as a traitor of the worst kind and that celebrating his release will only further harm Israel’s already strained relations with America."


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/07/29/opinion/pollards-release-shows-that-israelis-just-dont-get-america.html?_r=0&referrer=

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Re: Jonathon pollard to be released!!
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Re: Jonathon pollard to be released!!
« Reply #53 on: July 31, 2015, 10:12:23 AM »
I don't read links

Like that's some sort of justification for reposting? :P

If you don't read links don't post them...

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Jonathon pollard to be released!!
« Reply #55 on: November 20, 2015, 08:15:47 AM »
He's out mazel tov!

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Re: Jonathon pollard to be released!!
« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2015, 09:13:10 AM »
Mazal tov.
What a beautiful day
Jonathan polard finally free!!!
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Re: Jonathon pollard to be released!!
« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2015, 09:33:21 AM »
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Re: Jonathon pollard to be released!!
« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2015, 10:22:16 AM »
He became a heimishe yid in jail?