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MS on a CB
« on: July 22, 2015, 12:41:05 PM »
My friend asked me if he can spend ( and pay the bill ) on a cash back card, then refund the transaction and keep the CB/points/miles? (I heard this works on AA cards because the miles leave the bank to the AAdvantage account the moment you pay.T/F? )

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Re: MS on a CB
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2015, 12:42:01 PM »
My friend asked me if he can spend ( and pay the bill ) on a cash back card, then refund the transaction and keep the CB/points/miles? (I heard this works on AA cards because the miles leave the bank to the AAdvantage account the moment you pay.T/F? )
I would advise against doing anything like this.

Additionally, while maybe a little different, i believe two brothers got jail time for doing something like this.
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Re: MS on a CB
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2015, 12:42:45 PM »
I would advise against doing anything like this.
So you saying it works but they catch on...

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Re: MS on a CB
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2015, 12:43:22 PM »
So you saying it works but they catch on...
I am not saying it will for sure work, i am saying it is not worth the risk.
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Re: MS on a CB
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2015, 12:44:37 PM »


Additionally, while maybe a little different, i believe two brothers got jail time for doing something like this.

I read that story... it makes me kind of scared to do the nosdstram method

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Re: MS on a CB
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2015, 12:45:19 PM »
That's not MS
Regular MS methods would work, he can decide if it's worth it.
Iirc there was/is a DDFr named HelpMe who is very pro cb, you can try finding him for more info

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Re: MS on a CB
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2015, 12:45:47 PM »
There are plenty of ways to MS without having to get into questionable or outright wrong things to make some points/miles.

JMHO.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2015, 12:49:57 PM by Marco Polo »
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Re: MS on a CB
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2015, 12:45:59 PM »
I read that story... it makes me kind of scared to do the nosdstram method
Link?

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Re: MS on a CB
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2015, 12:48:00 PM »
(I heard this works on AA cards because the miles leave the bank to the AAdvantage account the moment you pay.T/F? )
Good way to get banned from AAdvantage
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Re: MS on a CB
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2015, 12:54:43 PM »
I read that story... it makes me kind of scared to do the nosdstram method
Care to share more?

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Re: MS on a CB
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2015, 01:04:56 PM »
Care to share more?

See my post right above yours.
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Re: MS on a CB
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Re: MS on a CB
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2015, 02:04:32 PM »
My friend asked me if he can spend ( and pay the bill ) on a cash back card, then refund the transaction and keep the CB/points/miles? (I heard this works on AA cards because the miles leave the bank to the AAdvantage account the moment you pay.T/F? )
If you want to steal money from a bank, there are more discreet ways.
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Re: MS on a CB
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2015, 02:07:50 PM »
I can get unlimited cash advances on any debit card. It doesn't matter the balance; usually you can get around 10K, maybe more if the time is right. All you do is go into the bank wearing a ski mask and hand a note to the teller saying "I want all the cash". 99 times out of 100, she'll just fill up a bag for you, no card swipe needed!
You do have to make sure to get out fast, though. Once word spreads, the cops try to shut you down.

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Re: MS on a CB
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Re: MS on a CB
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2015, 02:15:59 PM »
https://www.fbi.gov/seattle/press-releases/2012/brothers-who-defrauded-nordstrom-with-online-reward-scheme-plead-guilty-to-wire-fraud

Google "Chiu Brothers" for more info.

This is considered "wire fraud"? I don't quite understand how what they did was illegal (I'm not saying unethical... illegal).

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Re: MS on a CB
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2015, 02:54:11 PM »
This is considered "wire fraud"? I don't quite understand how what they did was illegal (I'm not saying unethical... illegal).

Sure it was illegal ( do not even need to Google )-- they knowingly knew and had intent to defraud - how can theY order 23miliilon and not know

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_wire_fraud

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate

"Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, or to sell, dispose of, loan, exchange,".......

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Re: MS on a CB
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2015, 02:59:28 PM »
I read that story... it makes me kind of scared to do the nosdstram method
aside from the fact that its stealing and prohibited by jewish law?
o sorry, this isnt ethics nor halacha thread

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Re: MS on a CB
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2015, 03:05:05 PM »
aside from the fact that its stealing and prohibited by jewish law?
o sorry, this isnt ethics nor halacha thread

buying and returning is in their policy. buying on order to return is forsure grey and maybe more . on what bases do you call it stealing?