MS on a CB

[dealfinder85]

buying and returning is in their policy. buying on order to return is forsure grey and maybe more . on what bases do you call it stealing?

if you are buying with the intention to return, solely to get the cash back, are you not able to figure that out? who is paying you that cash back?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Google "Chiu Brothers" for more info.

Please leave my friends out of this.

[ADG]

if you are buying with the intention to return, solely to get the cash back, are you not able to figure that out? who is paying you that cash back?

When you MS at target or any form of MS someone is always paying the cash back! The Question is it is lawful under their terms and Jewish Law

[Marco Polo]

When you MS at target or any form of MS someone is always paying the cash back! The Question is it is lawful under their terms and Jewish Law

You get CB for a purchase. If you purchase with the intent to return and keep the CB, that is not what is intended.

They are not giving away money.

[ADG]

You get CB for a purchase. If you purchase with the intent to return and keep the CB, that is not what is intended.

They are not giving away money.

What is MS if not giving away money. not to mention that it is also not intented

[dealfinder85]

When you MS at target or any form of MS someone is always paying the cash back! The Question is it is lawful under their terms and Jewish Law

in most methods at least that i know of, someone is gaining and therefore paying the cash back.
with target, they created that system that allows for abuse. they imposed limits.  forget MS, what about if you really used that as some sort of bill paying system? they allow that.
but what you are discussing in another level

[Marco Polo]

What is MS if not giving away money. not to mention that it is also not intented

When you MS, you are buying something and cashing out in a different manner. It is much different than buying and returning.

[dealfinder85]

What is MS if not giving away money. not to mention that it is also not intented

lets take the gift card method that many use.
they buy a gift card from staples. staples pays the credit card fee and then chase pays you the UR points.  but staples is getting the fee (at least thats how i assume it works) so its worth it to them

[ADG]

When you MS, you are buying something and cashing out in a different manner. It is much different than buying and returning.

How so? buying with intent to cash it elsewhere is just as against chases intention even though it is not explicitly in the T&Cs

[Marco Polo]

How so? buying with intent to cash it elsewhere is just as against chases intention even though it is not explicitly in the T&Cs

What do they care what you do with your purchase? As far as they are concerned, you bought something (a GC) and the transaction is done. Anything you chose to do with it is your own thing.

[ADG]

What do they care what you do with your purchase? As far as they are concerned, you bought something (a GC) and the transaction is done. Anything you chose to do with it is your own thing.

I guess you are right. but that doesn't mean buying with intent to return is explicitly against policy. I will give you an example . when you buy a few sizes you are buying (at least one of them) with intent to return. Is that also theft?

[Redbull3]

No one is answering my question. Buying with intent to return is wire fraud? Why? Is it purely the dollar amount? This is PGGM on a larger scale. Are we all in trouble?

[Redbull3]

Please leave my friends out of this.

Seriously what's your take on this?

[dealfinder85]

I guess you are right. but that doesn't mean buying with intent to return is explicitly against policy. I will give you an example . when you buy a few sizes you are buying (at least one of them) with intent to return. Is that also theft?

ok allow me to rephrase, in case you couldnt understand the difference
buying with complete intent to return 100% of your order is 1. probably assur, 2. theft if you do it in a way to earn cash back, 3. just wrong

[ADG]

No one is answering my question. Buying with intent to return is wire fraud? Why? Is it purely the dollar amount? This is PGGM on a larger scale. Are we all in trouble?

I am answering your Question . That doesnt mean they cant or wont press charges of fraud if we are talking about large scale things.

Great point about PGGM . Marco care to take that one on?

[ADG]

ok allow me to rephrase, in case you couldnt understand the difference
buying with complete intent to return 100% of your order is 1. probably assur, 2. theft if you do it in a way to earn cash back, 3. just wrong

So if  one includes one thing one is " good"?

[dealfinder85]

So if  one includes one thing one is " good"?

why are you trying to instigate here?
allow me to spell it out. buying even one item so steal cash back is stealing and assur.
you then asked, foolishly, what about ordering different sizes. to that, i needed to spell out that you intend to buy something and arent doing it to steal from the company. but even in that case, returning it intentionally in a way that still earns cash back is stealing

[ADG]

why are you trying to instigate here?
allow me to spell it out. buying even one item so steal cash back is stealing and assur.
you then asked, foolishly, what about ordering different sizes. to that, i needed to spell out that you intend to buy something and arent doing it to steal from the company. but even in that case, returning it intentionally in a way that still earns cash back is stealing

My point is that buying with intent to return is not against companies policies. therefor not Assur. wrong or right is for ethical thread remember:)

[Marco Polo]

My point is that buying with intent to return is not against companies policies. therefor not Assur. wrong or right is for ethical thread remember:)

If you are doing it to earn CB, it is an issue. Case and point in the article ^^.

[dealfinder85]

My point is that buying with intent to return is not against companies policies. therefor not Assur. wrong or right is for ethical thread remember:)

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