Author Topic: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem  (Read 26076 times)

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #122 on: August 04, 2015, 06:47:17 AM »

You people disgust me.

I'm not saying Jerusalem is a proper venue for a gay pride parade, but justifying the actions of a murderer and making comments about the dead? Vile.
very weak condemnation of the gay pride parade  :P
you are surely aware that murder , sexual sins and avoda zara , are the THREE worst sins in the eyes of Gd!
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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #123 on: August 04, 2015, 06:50:52 AM »
very weak condemnation of the gay pride parade  :P
you are surely aware that murder , sexual sins and avoda zara , are the THREE worst sins in the eyes of Gd!
And doing one doesn't justify the other...

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #124 on: August 04, 2015, 06:57:09 AM »
 Even if I would see someone in the act... and shoot them dead , as THE HALACHA SANCTIONS,
YOU , would call me vile , disgusting, etc..
you call people vile, etc, because its Not American to be passionate for Gd
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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #125 on: August 04, 2015, 07:00:29 AM »
Even if I would see someone in the act... and shoot them dead , as THE HALACHA SANCTIONS,
YOU , would call me vile , disgusting, etc..
you call people vile, etc, because its Not American to be passionate for Gd
Maybe check out this religion called Islam as it seems right up your alley. They love to kill innocent people in G-d's name. I hear one of their favorites is this group of people called Jews.
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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #126 on: August 04, 2015, 07:03:18 AM »
Even if I would see someone in the act... and shoot them dead , as THE HALACHA SANCTIONS,
YOU , would call me vile , disgusting, etc..
you call people vile, etc, because its Not American to be passionate for Gd
There of a reason it is הלכה ואין מורין כן, even Pinchas who did it with the purest intentions, the Shvatim called him out on it that his intentions weren't pure and he needed the Shchinah to be Me'id for him, how much more so in this case where everyone seems to agree he was insane.


Also:
are the THREE worst sins in the eyes of Gd!
Source?

יהרג ואל יעבור does not equal "worst in the eyes of G-D". In fact, coming from Tishah Be'av, I have an Eichah Rabbah that implies that Bittul Torah on DDF is worse in G-D's eyes:
ר' הונא ור' ירמיה בשם ר' שמואל ברבי יצחק אמר: מצינו שויתר הקדוש ברוך הוא על עבודת כוכבים, ועל גילוי עריות, ועל שפיכות דמים, ולא ויתר על מאסה של תורה. שנאמר: "על מה אבדה הארץ?" על עבודת כוכבים ועל גילוי עריות ועל שפיכות דמים אין כתיב כאן, אלא "על עזבם את תורתי".
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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #127 on: August 04, 2015, 07:08:20 AM »
Maybe check out this religion called Islam as it seems right up your alley. They love to kill innocent people in G-d's name. I hear one of their favorites is this group of people called Jews.
huh?
Read Leviticus About the punishments for sexual sins.
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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #128 on: August 04, 2015, 07:14:16 AM »
There of a reason it is הלכה ואין מורין כן, even Pinchas who did it with the purest intentions, the Shvatim called him out on it that his intentions weren't pure and he needed the Shchinah to be Me'id for him, how much more so...
This Halacha vain Morin Kain, applies today , tomorrow, and yesterday. 
It is Paskened by Rambam, the Remah (The accepted Authority for all Ashkenazim,) and the Aruch Hashulchan.
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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #129 on: August 04, 2015, 07:21:07 AM »
but its not very american...so its vile and disgusting.. :P
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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #130 on: August 04, 2015, 07:28:45 AM »
This Halacha vain Morin Kain, applies today , tomorrow, and yesterday. 
It is Paskened by Rambam, the Remah (The accepted Authority for all Ashkenazim,) and the Aruch Hashulchan.
Again, there's no connection between what this nutjob did and the Halachah regarding a Bo'el Aramis, can we stop confusing the issues?

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #131 on: August 04, 2015, 07:29:04 AM »
but its not very Jewish...so its vile and disgusting.. :P
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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #132 on: August 04, 2015, 08:26:30 AM »

Lol, and I am, just not as much as others. The third category is the trickiest one. If halacha has a clear stance on something, either to do it or not to do it, this category doesn't apply.

My answer to CM was specifically about his question "did you ever stop and think what this says about your religion to an outsider if that matters at all to you?". We don't care about what outsiders think when the stance is clear in halacha. But that's not to say that we never, ever care, just that it's limited.

This would be in contrast to Christianity, which has at times changed to meet its adherents' - and sometimes the wider world's - evolving views on a variety of topics.

And Orthodoxy has not evolved? Don't kid yourself.

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #133 on: August 04, 2015, 08:42:53 AM »
who is considered orthodox? that thas evolved. but if the action you are doing is orthodox... that has not evolved. there may be new stringency but if you do not do those stringencies its still and orthodox action
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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #134 on: August 04, 2015, 09:06:29 AM »
And Orthodoxy has not evolved? Don't kid yourself.
True Torah Judaism had not evolved except within the specific bounds set by the Torah itself. And any 'evolution' that has occurred was certainly not in response to what non-jews think about Judaism.

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #135 on: August 04, 2015, 09:11:57 AM »
Deserves a full page?!
Can someone add that jews make challa in his honor every year after pesach

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #136 on: August 04, 2015, 09:33:10 AM »
Even if I would see someone in the act... and shoot them dead , as THE HALACHA SANCTIONS,
YOU , would call me vile , disgusting, etc..
you call people vile, etc, because its Not American to be passionate for Gd
you are being migaleh ponim batorah shelo kihalacha. This halacha does not exist. You would be a murderer and with eidim and hasro'o bais din would give you the death penalty.
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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #137 on: August 04, 2015, 09:47:13 AM »
My memory is a little hazy, can someone please remind me how many times אברהם prayed for the destruction of Sedom?
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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #138 on: August 04, 2015, 09:47:34 AM »

True Torah Judaism had not evolved except within the specific bounds set by the Torah itself. And any 'evolution' that has occurred was certainly not in response to what non-jews think about Judaism.

Yes, it evolves. Take one example, religious education for girls.

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #139 on: August 04, 2015, 09:49:57 AM »
Wow I can't believe this is still an argument yes the gay parade is wrong and a terrible thing but is that the way we frum Jews act  whether it's a CH or not is that what we need now for the world to look at us and say look at the Jews what terrible people they are let us live like we are supposed to so mashiach can come and this and all bad will be removed from the world