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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #160 on: August 04, 2015, 10:33:43 AM »
Another extremely American sentiment. Don't judge? Where in the world did you get such an idea from? Where does the Torah say that if someone publicly flaunts an issur that you "should t judge". That's an exceptionally transparent American feeling, a byproduct of "live and let live", also foreign to the Torah.
Still waiting for an answer about Avrohom by the way.  Seems like you must see him as a terrible person for praying for the homosexuals to be spared from punishment rather than punish them with his own two hands.
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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #161 on: August 04, 2015, 10:34:31 AM »
Still waiting for an answer about Avrohom by the way.  Seems like you must see him as a terrible person for praying for the homosexuals to be spared from punishment rather than punish them with his own two hands.

They were the original Sodomites :D

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #162 on: August 04, 2015, 10:35:45 AM »
Another extremely American sentiment. Don't judge? Where in the world did you get such an idea from? Where does the Torah say that if someone publicly flaunts an issur that you "should t judge". That's an exceptionally transparent American feeling, a byproduct of "live and let live", also foreign to the Torah.
Direct question: Do you feel that what this man did was proper and justified?

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #163 on: August 04, 2015, 10:36:27 AM »
Tell me, as a Jew in the modern world, how are you comfortable with the killing of Amalek (which is genocide in today's terminology).
The same Gd that doesn't give anyone the right in galus to mete out punishments for bein adom l'makom will answer that when moshiach comes.
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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #164 on: August 04, 2015, 10:37:44 AM »
They were the original Sodomites :D
Not just the originals, we're talking about people that would sodomize anyone who visited their town.  And yet none other than the founder of Judaism showed compassion.

But aj3042 and doodle know better, don't worry.  A girl who may have been gay (never mind that the torah doesn't say anything about a punishment for her being gay) deserves the death penalty in their warped religion that I want no part of.
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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #165 on: August 04, 2015, 10:38:04 AM »
Still waiting for an answer about Avrohom by the way.  Seems like you must see him as a terrible person for praying for the homosexuals to be spared from punishment rather than punish them with his own two hands.
It's a question and many of the meforshim discuss it. At its worst though, it's a philosophical question about a past event, not a halacha telling us what to do now. The Torah prescribes how to deal with certain sins through the court system. That description is often quite violent as proven. So, now you have a question with Avraham? Look it up and find the answers. That doesn't change the set of Halachos we were given over telling us how we should deal with.

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #166 on: August 04, 2015, 10:41:06 AM »
Direct question: Do you feel that what this man did was proper and justified?
I think I've answered that numerous times if you look back. I feel both did wrong things though the paraders did a worse thing because they publicly flaunted hashem's word in yerushalayim itself while the actions of one deranged man are exactly that-the actions of one deranged man. So I'm going to spend more time condemning the paraders than the individual.

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #167 on: August 04, 2015, 10:42:35 AM »

I think I've answered that numerous times if you look back. I feel both did wrong things though the paraders did a worse thing because they publicly flaunted hashem's word in yerushalayim itself while the actions of one deranged man are exactly that-the actions of one deranged man. So I'm going to spend more time condemning the paraders than the individual.

Serious question. If ISIS were Jewish and were enforcing the Torah, would you have a problem with them?

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #168 on: August 04, 2015, 10:44:16 AM »
It's a question and many of the meforshim discuss it. At its worst though, it's a philosophical question about a past event, not a halacha telling us what to do now. The Torah prescribes how to deal with certain sins through the court system. That description is often quite violent as proven. So, now you have a question with Avraham? Look it up and find the answers. That doesn't change the set of Halachos we were given over telling us how we should deal with.
So violent that 1 capital punishment in 70 years is considered a murdering court...

Halachos? Did someone forget to let me know that Sanhedrin was being relaunched? Were you nominated as its head?

Have you spent a day in your life trying to be a little more like Aharon HaKohen? Ohev es habrios um'karvan laTorah. Try it on for size. Because your religion doesn't seem to have time for such role models. The whole Berieishis and first half of Shmos must be a waste of time for you. Nothing we can learn from such violators of halacha.
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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #169 on: August 04, 2015, 10:45:10 AM »
I think I've answered that numerous times if you look back. I feel both did wrong things though the paraders did a worse thing because they publicly flaunted hashem's word in yerushalayim itself while the actions of one deranged man are exactly that-the actions of one deranged man. So I'm going to spend more time condemning the paraders than the individual.
Actually the vast majority of your posts here have been justifying the murderer.
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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #170 on: August 04, 2015, 10:46:31 AM »
Actually the vast majority of your posts here have been justifying the murderer.
Actually they haven't.

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #171 on: August 04, 2015, 10:47:08 AM »
Any sane person should be horrified.
Has anyone. Publicly said that what he did was not wrong?  I. Know there are definitely people waiting to see an official condemnation from the chareidi camp.  I know there is no official spokesman but people get a kol korei written for far stupider causes.  It would help to lessen the chilllul HaShem.

Someone wrote something along the lines of
״מחלל שמים כזמרי וחושב שקידש שם שמים כפינחס״

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #172 on: August 04, 2015, 10:50:33 AM »
Did you mean

A girl who may not even have been gay (never mind that the torah doesn't say anything about a punishment for her being gay) deserves the death penalty in their warped religion that I want no part of.

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #173 on: August 04, 2015, 10:53:39 AM »
So violent that 1 capital punishment in 70 years is considered a murdering court...

Halachos? Did someone forget to let me know that Sanhedrin was being relaunched? Were you nominated as its head?

Have you spent a day in your life trying to be a little more like Aharon HaKohen? Ohev es habrios um'karvan laTorah. Try it on for size. Because your religion doesn't seem to have time for such role models. The whole Berieishis and first half of Shmos must be a waste of time for you. Nothing we can learn from such violators of halacha.
Ya and in your Chumash you must have erased the maaseh of Shechem by which a whole city was killed out (for violating one of the 7 mitzvos-look at that) and Yaakov's primary complaint against the murderers wasn't that they acted violently but that they placed him in danger. Not very convenient for you.

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #174 on: August 04, 2015, 10:54:59 AM »
Well he happens to be right about what he just quoted.

I responded to him the following
you are being migaleh ponim batorah shelo kihalacha. This halacha does not exist. You would be a murderer and with eidim and hasro'o bais din would give you the death penalty.
There is no din of kanoim pogim for this. Find a source for your am ha'aratzus. You are also being migale ponim shelo kihalacha. The gemora in Sanhedrin considers that worse than an apikores.
I figured you'd answer that. That's due to matters of technicality (from a passuk that says we should try to save him) and does not reflect at all on the fact that these are sins which are punishable by death.
Wrong again. That is because there is a mitzvah upon beis din called vihitzilu hoedo that even when there are eidim and hasro'o they should actively search for technicalities to get him off the hook.It is amazing how you feel that you are sticking up for the torah when you are going against it
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #175 on: August 04, 2015, 10:56:46 AM »
Actually the vast majority of your posts here have been justifying the murderer.
+1 I can't believe I am saying this, but I can't believe this is being allowed on the forum at all.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #176 on: August 04, 2015, 10:58:25 AM »
Aj3042 and doddleydoo are just homophobes.
Not an opinion. Fact.

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #177 on: August 04, 2015, 11:04:37 AM »
Ya and in your Chumash you must have erased the maaseh of Shechem by which a whole city was killed out (for violating one of the 7 mitzvos-look at that) and Yaakov's primary complaint against the murderers wasn't that they acted violently but that they placed him in danger. Not very convenient for you.
check again in the birchas Yaakov.

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #178 on: August 04, 2015, 11:06:18 AM »
I think I've answered that numerous times if you look back. I feel both did wrong things though the paraders did a worse thing because they publicly flaunted hashem's word in yerushalayim itself while the actions of one deranged man are exactly that-the actions of one deranged man. So I'm going to spend more time condemning the paraders than the individual.
So they are both wrong. I think most here agree on that. Why do you feel the need to condemn the paraders specifically in this thread about the horrific actions of a deranged murderer? If you have a problem with the parade, why not start your own thread about your feelings about the parade?

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Re: So Called Orthodox Jew Stabs 6 at parade in Jerusalem
« Reply #179 on: August 04, 2015, 11:11:15 AM »

Aj3042 and doddleydoo are just homophobes.
Not an opinion. Fact.
I'd say a majority of people here are