Author Topic: AA Ending PHL-TLV (Read 24315 times)

aussiebochur · « **on:** August 20, 2015, 01:31:48 PM »

http://ww.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6478798/

aussiebochur · « **Reply #1 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:34:24 PM »

http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=1450c9c25bd3b5096022a9f71&id=8b4a197134

AJK · « **Reply #2 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:34:42 PM »

All in an effort to move the service to JFK/MIA

...or the TWA thing is still unresolved.

ar · « **Reply #3 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:38:12 PM »

Wow. How can a US-TLV route be unprofitable?? This route was always full!

I wonder if there anything more to this...

Yehoshua · « **Reply #4 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:52:00 PM »

Quote from: ar on August 20, 2015, 01:38:12 PM

Wow. How can a US-TLV route be unprofitable?? This route was always full!

I wonder if there anything more to this...

I was told that it was very profitable by someone at US who knows. They claimed that they had deals with certain Israeli corporations that made them a nice profit even with the top of the plane nearly empty.

SearchGuy · « **Reply #5 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:54:10 PM »

Quote from: Yehoshua on August 20, 2015, 01:52:00 PM

I was told that it was very profitable by someone at US who knows. They claimed that they had deals with certain Israeli corporations that made them a nice profit even with the top of the plane nearly empty.

Because they barely released awards...

AJK · « **Reply #6 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:55:17 PM »

Definitely a DDMS post coming.

SearchGuy · « **Reply #7 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:56:08 PM »

Quote from: AJK on August 20, 2015, 01:55:17 PM

Definitely a DDMS post coming.

Dan is still analyzing what will come in exchange

Yehoshua · « **Reply #8 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:56:35 PM »

Quote from: SearchGuy on August 20, 2015, 01:54:10 PM

Because they barely released awards...

I didn't say they didn't fly with full, just that their freight was always full and a good money maker. I guess it wasn't good enough...

mochada · « **Reply #9 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:56:40 PM »

Quote from: Yehoshua on August 20, 2015, 01:52:00 PM

I was told that it was very profitable by someone at US who knows. They claimed that they had deals with certain Israeli corporations that made them a nice profit even with the top of the plane nearly empty.

Same goes for the former DL ATL-TLV flight. I've spoken to people in DL's Network Planning and Profitability Dept (Yes it's called that- division of corp finance), who both mentioned ATL-TLV was quite profitable but due to fuel and other competition type reason (I.e. there is no other direct flight ATL-TLV while NY metro has many), DL shifted the ATL route to JFK and to connecting through their JV partners in CDG and AMS.

Yehoshua · « **Reply #10 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:57:18 PM »

Quote from: SearchGuy on August 20, 2015, 01:56:08 PM

Dan is still analyzing what will come in exchange

The 2nd link said AA didn't make any promises about JFK or MIA:

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Q: Will the flight be reinstated in the future, perhaps when we have more opportunity to operate the route with a different aircraft or from a different hub like MIA or JFK?
A: We’ll certainly continue to monitor the viability of reinstating TLV service and will evaluate future opportunities as we bring in new aircraft to the fleet and our network evolves. At this time, we do not anticipate restarting service to Tel Aviv in the near future.

ADG · « **Reply #11 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:58:38 PM »

Quote from: ar on August 20, 2015, 01:38:12 PM

Wow. How can a US-TLV route be unprofitable?? This route was always full!

I wonder if there anything more to this...

Maybe they will turn out anti semetic:)

Shauly101 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:59:30 PM »

MS window?

AJK · « **Reply #13 on:** August 20, 2015, 02:08:07 PM »

Quote from: Shauly101 on August 20, 2015, 01:59:30 PM

MS window?

Doubtful. Would return to original form of payment. But I applaud the thought

Centro · « **Reply #14 on:** August 20, 2015, 02:11:08 PM »

Quote from: AJK on August 20, 2015, 01:55:17 PM

Definitely a DDMS post coming.

http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/72548

AsherO · « **Reply #15 on:** August 20, 2015, 02:11:26 PM »

Quote from: AJK on August 20, 2015, 01:34:42 PM

All in an effort to move the service to JFK/MIA

...or the TWA thing is still unresolved.

If it's the TWA thing they won't be able to operate any xxx-TLV....

Cross post from DDMS comment:

What is the value of a route that is very profitable? How does that compare to a one-time expense of $15mm?

For an airline with billions in profit, $15mm sounds like chump-change. Or is this about precedent?

tdb · « **Reply #16 on:** August 20, 2015, 02:12:02 PM »

will elal and AA renew their partnership now?

Chapshnell · « **Reply #17 on:** August 20, 2015, 02:13:25 PM »

Quote from: tdb on August 20, 2015, 02:12:02 PM

will elal and AA renew there partnership now?

starting to look more & more like a match made in heaven

AJK · « **Reply #18 on:** August 20, 2015, 02:15:05 PM »

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For now the route is still bookable, so you can still grab an award seat or cheap ticket and you’ll be reaccommodated on another airline or you’ll get a refund if you don’t agree with the reaccommodation offer.

FYI, there is not a single date post-cancellation that has two J seats available in either direction.

Yehoshua · « **Reply #19 on:** August 20, 2015, 02:19:35 PM »

Quote from: AJK on August 20, 2015, 02:15:05 PM

FYI, there is not a single date post-cancellation that has two J seats available in either direction.

Who said anything about there being 2 seats? Are there any with 1 for the solo traveler?