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Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« on: August 25, 2015, 08:25:06 AM »
Where's all the outrage like when Cecil got killed?

I know you can't compare, after all the guy was human.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/25/africa/zimbabwe-safari-guide-killed-by-lion/

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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2015, 08:37:48 AM »
Since when are humans better than lions?

Lions don't trophy hunt, only humans do

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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2015, 09:17:11 AM »
Sorry no comparison.
People should know better than to kill for no reason other than fun.
Animals don't.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2015, 09:26:36 AM by Aj3042 »

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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2015, 09:21:32 AM »
Sorry no comparison.
People should no better than to kill for no reason other than fun.
Animals don't.
About time you are starting to see the light.
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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2015, 09:26:03 AM »
About time you are starting to see the light.
Wow it's too bright-I got to close my eyes. ;)
Seriously though, I never said otherwise. Just because most animal rights activists are messed up on many levels doesn't mean that one of their core principles is wrong. Killing for sport, IMO, is wrong.
I will add that in Jewish law it states this as well-that while there's no outright prohibition on hunting for fun, it's a wrong thing to do, for obvious reasons.

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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2015, 09:27:36 AM »
Wow it's too bright-I got to close my eyes. ;)
Seriously though, I never said otherwise. Just because most animal rights activists are messed up on many levels doesn't mean that one of their core principles is wrong. Killing for sport, IMO, is wrong.
I will add that in Jewish law it states this as well-that while there's no outright prohibition on hunting for fun, it's a wrong thing to do, for obvious reasons.
Just when I thought you were coming around.
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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2015, 09:29:55 AM »
Just when I thought you were coming around.
I'm not.
Why is this different from hunting? (Ok, so it is an endangered species, but that just makes it a worse form of hunting).

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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2015, 09:33:55 AM »
I'm not.
Why is this different from hunting? (Ok, so it is an endangered species, but that just makes it a worse form of hunting).
My point is you could have made your point without the last line.
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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2015, 09:35:05 AM »
My point is you could have made your point without the last line.
Oh.
I added that in in case some people here will accuse me of harboring liberal notions. That won't be a plus for me.
Also given that the Torah is the only moral code we Jews have my opinion on the matter stems from the Torah and not from my own thinking (and that's what I'd like to think about all my opinions).
« Last Edit: August 25, 2015, 09:42:24 AM by Aj3042 »

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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2015, 09:44:09 AM »
Here we go again. As pointed out many times your interpretations is different from many others.
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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2015, 09:47:06 AM »
Here we go again. As pointed out many times your interpretations is different from many others.
Well if anyone else has another view (with backup) he can state it.
What I just quoted is a teshuva in the Noda Beyehuda.

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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2015, 09:50:16 AM »
Well if anyone else has another view (with backup) he can state it.
What I just quoted is a teshuva in the Noda Beyehuda.
You are back to normal (for you) so we should be good to go on Friday.  :)
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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2015, 09:53:07 AM »
You are back to normal (for you) so we should be good to go on Friday.  :)
I'm gearing up. ;)

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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2015, 10:55:29 AM »
Why wouldn't it fall under the general prohibition of Tzar Ba'alei Chaim?  Especially Cecil, who was wounded for a significant period before actually dying, which is probably normal for sport hunting?

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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2015, 11:13:13 AM »
Why wouldn't it fall under the general prohibition of Tzar Ba'alei Chaim?  Especially Cecil, who was wounded for a significant period before actually dying, which is probably normal for sport hunting?
It does according to most. The noda beyehuda was specifically by an instant death without suffering

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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2015, 11:38:18 AM »
Where's all the outrage like when Cecil got killed?

I know you can't compare, after all the guy was human.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/25/africa/zimbabwe-safari-guide-killed-by-lion/

Lions are an endangered species, whist humans are overpopulating this planet :P

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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2015, 12:06:50 PM »
An interesting quote that was going around when Cecil blew over
(I'm referring to the sicha page. you can ignore the rest of that post, it's just where I found it)

https://www.facebook.com/MachonShmuel/posts/388697924660297

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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2015, 01:21:47 PM »
Lions are an endangered species, whist humans are overpopulating this planet :P

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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2015, 02:12:18 AM »
It does according to most. The noda beyehuda was specifically by an instant death without suffering
The reason why one should refrain from hunting is brought down in Puscha tshuva , because it ingrains cruelty into a Person.

But again it's not prohibited.

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Re: Lion kills safari guide in Zimbabwe park where Cecil lived
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2015, 02:17:16 AM »
The reason why one should refrain from hunting is brought down in Puscha tshuva , because it ingrains cruelty into a Person.

But again it's not prohibited.
As I said before, according to most that applies only when it isn't torturing the animal