US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[ExGingi]

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I have already expressed my opinion that this thread should be closed.

Once Hillary was defeated, it is fait accompli. My persistent reference to SCOTUS during the campaign cycle, was geared only towards those whose votes could make a difference. I did not vote, and all of the post election discussions of Trump are a waste of time, as there's absolutely no potential for any influence coming from here, one way or another.

We are living in unprecedented times. I don't think anyone knows how things will pan out. I am taking a wait and see approach, before I will make my own call on whether Trump turns out good or bad for the country (and for the Jews, which is ultimately what counts).

[JTZ]

...before I will make my own call on whether Trump turns out good or bad for the country (and for the Jews, which is ultimately what counts).

So that removes the elephant in the room.

[Yammer]

IMHO that is a smokescreen. They scared as h*ll that Bannon is included.

Around here that would MSM and liberals all lumped together.

Or it may be a way to scare our adversaries that we've got SCARY steve Bannon deciding when we go to war

[ExGingi]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/31/politics/donald-trump-supreme-court-announcement/index.html

Wonderful!

"If it was a night to savor for the GOP, it was a bitter one for Democrats.

This could have been the moment when a President Hillary Clinton unveiled the nomination for Supreme Court justice that would have the potential to tilt the bench towards liberals for a generation."

[elit]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/01/ignore-the-attacks-on-neil-gorsuch-hes-an-intellectual-giant-and-a-good-man/?utm_term=.50d710a03026

[Boruch999]

@ExGingi

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/01/ted-cruz-reportedly-says-nuclear-option-is-on-table-in-supreme-court-pick.html

2:20

Ted Cruz:

"This election was in a very real sense a referendum on this seat."

[ExGingi]

@ExGingi

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/01/ted-cruz-reportedly-says-nuclear-option-is-on-table-in-supreme-court-pick.html

2:20

Ted Cruz:

"This election was in a very real sense a referendum on this seat."

IMHO R's should reserve the nuclear option as a bargaining chip and try to avoid using it. The more the D's will fight and object to this nomination, the worse they can be painted, and that's a good thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2017/02/01/in-gorsuch-trump-gave-democrats-a-gift-they-should-take-it/?utm_term=.6d417993dea5

[aradisc]

The more the D's will fight and object to this nomination, the worse they can be painted, and that's a good thing.

If the Dems have learned anything from the past 8 years, and especially the last year, there's no electoral penalty for obstructionism.

[aygart]

If the Dems have learned anything from the past 8 years, and especially the last year, there's no electoral penalty for obstructionism.

unless that was only because the voters wanted it obstructed or because the dems did a worse job of making the obstruction case to the public than trump may do.

[Yammer]

If the Dems have learned anything from the past 8 years, and especially the last year, there's no electoral penalty for obstructionism.

1) you can't consider the obstruction directly for the outcome of the election. Donald Trump is his own phenomenon.

2) it was the decades of feeling betrayed by politicians and government.

[yuneeq]

Violent riots by students at Berkeley, as they campaign in full force to get Republicans elected in 2018 and Trump for another 4 years.
https://www.rt.com/usa/376001-milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley-riot-protest/

[aygart]

1) you can't consider the obstruction directly for the outcome of the election. Donald Trump is his own phenomenon.

2) it was the decades of feeling betrayed by politicians and government.

It is not only Trump but also the Republican Congress

[yuneeq]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ACLU?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

"The ACLU is a nonprofit, nonpartisan, legal and advocacy organization devoted to protecting the basic civil liberties of everyone in America."

And yet not one statement protesting one of the worst incidents of suppressing free speech in recent history. How about using some of those millions you just got to sue the hell out of everyone involved in the domestic terrorism at Berkeley?

[ExGingi]

Is France next?

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-02/how-to-defeat-le-pen

[skyguy918]

Violent riots by students at Berkeley, as they campaign in full force to get Republicans elected in 2018 and Trump for another 4 years.
https://www.rt.com/usa/376001-milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley-riot-protest/

This is great stuff (your own line?).

https://mobile.twitter.com/ACLU?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

"The ACLU is a nonprofit, nonpartisan, legal and advocacy organization devoted to protecting the basic civil liberties of everyone in America."

And yet not one statement protesting one of the worst incidents of suppressing free speech in recent history. How about using some of those millions you just got to sue the hell out of everyone involved in the domestic terrorism at Berkeley?

This is not. What does the ACLU have to do with it? Who are they going to take to court and/or defend exactly?

[yuneeq]

This is great stuff (your own line?).

Yes, thanks

This is not. What does the ACLU have to do with it? Who are they going to take to court and/or defend exactly?

ACLU is an organization devoted to protecting civil liberties, and one of their main focuses has always promoted the protection of free speech- https://www.aclu.org/issues/free-speech

They have not put out 1 statement condemning the suppression of free speech, and they will not sue the people responsible, or the people that allowed it to happen. I'll give you a challenge- spot the cops protecting the victims of domestic terrorism:

Did the mayor really tell them to stand down when rioters are attempting cold blooded murder? Also find it interesting that the university forced Milo to pay for extra security but didn't provide any last night.

[skyguy918]

ACLU is an organization devoted to protecting cicil liberties, and one of their main focuses has always promoted the protection of free speech- https://www.aclu.org/issues/free-speech

They have not put out 1 statement condemning the suppression of free speech, and they will not sue the people responsible, or the people that allowed it to happen. I'll give you a challenge- spot the cops protecting the victims of domestic terrorism:

Did the mayor really tell them to stand down when rioters are attempting cold blooded murder? Also find it interesting that the university forced Milo to pay for extra security but didn't provide any last night.

Yeah, they promote the protection of free speech against institutions, or even potentially individuals. But how do you do that against a violent mob? You do it with police doing their jobs, not with the ACLU condemning the protesters.

Not sure what you mean about the mayor - feel free to post more info (unless it's just that one tweet from before the event, that's pretty weak).

[yuneeq]

Yeah, they promote the protection of free speech against institutions, or even potentially individuals. But how do you do that against a violent mob? You do it with police doing their jobs, not with the ACLU condemning the protesters.

Not sure what you mean about the mayor - feel free to post more info (unless it's just that one tweet from before the event, that's pretty weak).

1. They need to make it their goal to identify anyone pictured or videoed last night and sue them
2. You sue the cops or the mayor for standing down. I don't know who called the shots, but it is obvious from any videos that cops were told not step in. Gross negligence, maybe worse.
3. You sue the university for not protecting the free speech rights of Milo and for not protecting the Trump supporters
4. They need to label the Antifa as a hate group

And etc. Last night was a civil rights disaster in so many ways. I know we disagree a lot, but I'm sure JTZ is nodding along right now...

[skyguy918]

1. They need to make it their goal to identify anyone pictured or videoed last night and sue them
2. You sue the cops or the mayor for standing down. I don't know who called the shots, but it is obvious from any videos that cops were told not step in. Gross negligence, maybe worse.
3. You sue the university for not protecting the free speech rights of Milo and for not protecting the Trump supporters
4. They need to label the Antifa as a hate group

And etc. Last night was a civil rights disaster in so many ways. I know we disagree a lot, but I'm sure JTZ is nodding along right now...

This is all nonsense. The police should do their job and that's the end of it. It has nothing to do with civil rights.

And btw, if you think Milo is upset about this, you're nuts. This is such a great outcome for him, probably better than if the event had gone off without a hitch.

[JTZ]

It has nothing to do with civil rights.

Bingo!