US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[aygart]

Trump says terrorism acts ignored. Evidence?

I can think of a recent one, the Bowling Green Massacre. 

Well NYT blamed Orlando on Republicans.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/opinion/the-corrosive-politics-that-threaten-lgbt-americans.html

[aygart]

Trump says terrorism acts ignored. Evidence?

I can think of a recent one, the Bowling Green Massacre. 

Did you look at the list of 78 which they released?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/07/the-trump-teams-list-of-78-underreported-terrorist-attacks-is-a-bit-of-a-mess/?utm_term=.1e1ba8d6a9fb#annotations:11297158

They are correct that the list is a mess but that is mostly typos.

[JTZ]

Did you look at the list of 78 which they released?

How about you look at the list and let me know which US terrorist attack wasn't reported on.

[cf]

How about you look at the list and let me know which US terrorist attack wasn't reported on.

They weren't reported as terrorist attacks.

[Dawie]

How about you look at the list and let me know which US terrorist attack wasn't reported on.

you just got trolled too

[aygart]

How about you look at the list and let me know which US terrorist attack wasn't reported on.

wasn't reported on /= under reported. Also, some were not reported as the Islamic incident which they were.

Why are you obligating them to limit to US attacks?

Well NYT blamed Orlando on Republicans.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/opinion/the-corrosive-politics-that-threaten-lgbt-americans.html

[Freddie]

I can't follow this. What's going on?

[JTZ]

Why are you obligating them to limit to US attacks?

That's what I care about and should be the main focus of the US media. Do you think Europe reports every murder in Chicago or cares?

[JTZ]

I can't follow this. What's going on?

Trump claims there all these terrorist attacks and the press does not report them.

[aygart]

How about you look at the list and let me know which US terrorist attack wasn't reported on.

Under reported: Difficult to check exactly but some of these are not widely known that they even happened:

GARLAND, TX, USA

May, 2015

TARGET: One security guard wounded in shooting at the Prophet Muhammad cartoon event

ATTACKERS: Two US persons

 

BOSTON, MA, USA

June, 2015

TARGET: No casualties; one police officer attacked with knife

ATTACKER: US person

MERCED, CA, US

November, 2015

TARGET: Four wounded in knife attack on a college campus

ATTAKER: US person

COLUMBUS, OH, US

February, 2016

TARGET: Four civilians wounded in machete attack at a restaurant

ATTAKER: US person

ST. CLOUD, MN, US

September, 2016

TARGET: 10 wounded in knife attack in a mall

ATTACKER: Dahir Ahmed Adan

COLUMBUS, OH, US

November, 2016

TARGET: 14 wounded by individuals who drove a vehicle into a group of pedestrians and attacked them with a knife

ATTACKER: US person

[aygart]

That's what I care about and should be the main focus of the US media. Do you think Europe reports every murder in Chicago or cares?

Note how the first part of what I wrote was ignored.

Why ae they obligated to limit themselves to the ones you care about? They are arguing, not without merit, that attacks in other countries are relevant to the debate. I will agree with you that they are not nearly as relevant as something in the US, but they are not bound by my opinion or yours.

[JTZ]

Under reported: Difficult to check exactly but some of these are not widely known that they even happened:

Appreciate the list and even without checking each one I will concede on underreporting. The problem is he said ignored and none of those qualify. I think you will concede these were reported on and that is what I asked.

Ignore: refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally

[JTZ]

Why ae they obligated to limit themselves to the ones you care about? They are arguing, not without merit, that attacks in other countries are relevant to the debate. I will agree with you that they are not nearly as relevant as something in the US, but they are not bound by my opinion or yours.

I disagree with you. This is all related to the ban he put in place which only affects entry into the US. This is getting off subject so I will stop.

[JTZ]

Now they are taking it to a new level.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/7/1630823/-CBS-News-calls-out-Trump-for-Presidential-Statements-Divorced-from-Reality

[aygart]

Appreciate the list and even without checking each one I will concede on underreporting. The problem is he said ignored and none of those qualify. I think you will concede these were reported on and that is what I asked.

Ignore: refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally

That was a copy/paste from the WH list.

Were all of those reported nationally?

[aygart]

http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/07/nbcs-katy-turns-up-the-heat-on-twitter-hits-the-press-for-covering-trumps-demonstrably-false-claim/

[aygart]

I disagree with you. This is all related to the ban he put in place which only affects entry into the US. This is getting off subject so I will stop.

Too much substance? Getting off topic of his tweets?

The fact that there are terrorist elements intentionally mixing with the refugees in other countries shows that this is an issue which needs to be avoided in our country as well. It, of course, does not show that our procedures are inadequate. Is the difference between us and them the vetting procedures in place? Possibly. That is not the argument being advanced.

[JTZ]

That was a copy/paste from the WH list.

Were all of those reported nationally?

GARLAND, TX, USA

May, 2015

TARGET: One security guard wounded in shooting at the Prophet Muhammad cartoon event

ATTACKERS: Two US persons

That was the first one on the list. I never heard of it. Most likely it didn't get massive national coverage or and national coverage. Do you think it should have? Either way I will bet it was reported on and not ignored as Trump has claimed.

ETA: After a quick Google search this was reported by every major news outlet.

[yuneeq]

On vacation so pardon me for my ignorance, but does reporting mean:

"Man stabs 3 in pizza shop altercation"
Or does it need to be:
"ISIS inspired terrorist stabs 3 in local pizza shop"

My guess is that MSM believes in the former while the WH believes the latter.

[JTZ]

Too much substance? Getting off topic of his tweets?

The fact that there are terrorist elements intentionally mixing with the refugees in other countries shows that this is an issue which needs to be avoided in our country as well. It, of course, does not show that our procedures are inadequate. Is the difference between us and them the vetting procedures in place? Possibly. That is not the argument being advanced.

Remember his tweets are his views of reality.

As you know our vetting process is different than Europe's. The argument is our process is working and that is why Europe is having these problems all the time.