US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[elit]

Who cares about scotus?
Imho the only thing that matters is the economy and security. For these the president has a large say.

Scotus is all about making serious decisions about whether men can go to the little girls rooms, killing babies, and other important stuff that affect this countries culture more than anything else. Occasionally of course they rule on things of economic importance but nothing too partisan anyway.

What about when the supreme court rules that its illegal for a Jewish wedding hall or synagogue to refuse to host a gay wedding or for a rabbi to refuse to marry a gay couple...

[ExGingi]

Imho the only thing that matters is the economy and security. For these the president has a large say.

That could be debated but, as pointed out upthread, in a worst case it's over in 4 or 8 years. SCOTUS nominations can and do affect generations!

And it's the SCOTUS that authorized the disaster called Obamacare (with an argument even the administration didn't come up with) which has a major economic impact, and taking us down the path of סדום matters quite a bit if we don't want to end up like סדום.

It was already said somewhere that the US president is the weakest leader in the western world. SCOTUS nominations are where he can exert more power than anywhere else.

[thaber]

Foreign policy and military are largely the president as well.  (I think I might have read that in Charles Krauthammer

[username]

Um...with a little help from the State Department.

[churnbabychurn]

What about when the supreme court rules that its illegal for a Jewish wedding hall or synagogue to refuse to host a gay wedding or for a rabbi to refuse to marry a gay couple...

Meh, I don't look to the supreme court to uphold our values or halacha.
Let's separate religion from state. We have our own separate culture anyway..

[aygart]

Meh, I don't look to the supreme court to uphold our values or halacha.
Let's separate religion from state. We have our own separate culture anyway..

That is his whole point. We need justices who will make that separation.

[elit]

Meh, I don't look to the supreme court to uphold our values or halacha.
Let's separate religion from state. We have our own separate culture anyway..

Come again?

[cheesedawg]

I'd like people to explain two things that I hear a lot but have trouble understanding:

1) Why do so many say that "Obama is bad for Israel"?

2) Why the hatred for Hillary? Is it all because of the email thing?


Traits that are important in people -- listening well, caring about others, working hard -- HRC wins in all of these!

http://www.vox.com/a/hillary-clinton-interview/the-gap-listener-leadership-quality

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all


I do understand that some may refuse to vote dem because of things like the Iran deal or SCOTUS or immigration, but if you have any flexibility, I think personal characteristics and experience are super important.

[Emkay]

1) Why do so many say that "Obama is bad for Israel"?

2) Why the hatred for Hillary? Is it all because of the email thing?

1) you answered yourself.
2) we are sexists.

[yuneeq]

I'd like people to explain two things that I hear a lot but have trouble understanding:

1) Why do so many say that "Obama is bad for Israel"?

2) Why the hatred for Hillary? Is it all because of the email thing?


Traits that are important in people -- listening well, caring about others, working hard -- HRC wins in all of these!

http://www.vox.com/a/hillary-clinton-interview/the-gap-listener-leadership-quality

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all


I do understand that some may refuse to vote dem because of things like the Iran deal or SCOTUS or immigration, but if you have any flexibility, I think personal characteristics and experience are super important.

Always be wary when you see a pro-Hillary shill pop up in forums...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac-spends-1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook.html

[churnbabychurn]

Come again?

Basically I believe the American culture is broken beyond repair, and I also believe that scotus's primary function, that is being discussed, is to judge on cultural issues. - therefore I don't care who is on it or what they say.
Let's vote for the candidate who is better for the economy and for US and world security.

[good sam]

Um...with a little help from the State Department.

The state department but not the president?

[ilherman]

1) Why do so many say that "Obama is bad for Israel"?

Seriously?   

Please go troll elsewhere.

[thaber]

Um...with a little help from the State Department.

President shapes wars and foreign policy.  Always has.  State department executes his /her vision.  Iraq,  Afghanistan,  Korea,  Vietnam,  WW2 were all presidential decisions.
US position on Iraq,  Iran,  Libya,  Israel,  all presidential decisions. 
There are three branches of government,  State isn't one of them. 

[aygart]

Basically I believe the American culture is broken beyond repair, and I also believe that scotus's primary function, that is being discussed, is to judge on cultural issues. - therefore I don't care who is on it or what they say.
Let's vote for the candidate who is better for the economy and for US and world security.

So what does a president do which affects economics?

[elit]

Basically I believe the American culture is broken beyond repair, and I also believe that scotus's primary function, that is being discussed, is to judge on cultural issues. - therefore I don't care who is on it or what they say.
Let's vote for the candidate who is better for the economy and for US and world security.

I still don't understand, my example is something from the supreme court that would have a direct and major impact on your way of life not the American culture and having 2 conservative justices appointed vs 2 liberal judges over the next 4 years can make a major difference on those decisions  for the next 25 years...also if you want an economic reason that very same example I gave you can have a major economic impact bec the first and most likely repercussion.of a supreme court ruling that you can't refuse to perform a gay marriage would b the loss of tax exempt status of orgs. that refuse.

[churnbabychurn]

I still don't understand, my example is something from the supreme court that would have a direct and major impact on your way of life not the American culture and having 2 conservative justices appointed vs 2 liberal judges over the next 4 years can make a major difference on those decisions  for the next 25 years...also if you want an economic reason that very same example I gave you can have a major economic impact bec the first and most likely repercussion.of a supreme court ruling that you can't refuse to perform a gay marriage would b the loss of tax exempt status of orgs. that refuse.

Dunno, I couldn't care less if scotus officially forces rabbis to do gay marriages.
The Rabbi who married me off dosent care, and neither does my caterer, flower macher or anyone else.

These things only affect us if we are being all "American" about everything..

[elit]

Dunno, I couldn't care less if scotus officially forces rabbis to do gay marriages.
The Rabbi who married me off dosent care, and neither does my caterer, flower macher or anyone else.

These things only affect us if we are being all "American" about everything..

Did you not read what I wrote?

[aygart]

Dunno, I couldn't care less if scotus officially forces rabbis to do gay marriages.
The Rabbi who married me off dosent care, and neither does my caterer, flower macher or anyone else.

These things only affect us if we are being all "American" about everything..

if you think that is all such things affect dream on

[churnbabychurn]

if you think that is all such things affect dream on

Im not saying that the culture doesn't affect us. It definitely does.
Just that the bottom line is that scotus mostly affects cultural issues. I also believe that scotus follows popular culture, not the other way around. So I dont care much who is appointed.
Wtvr. Lets move on.