Author Topic: US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread (Read 3824754 times)

george · « **Reply #11120 on:** February 14, 2017, 10:36:11 PM »

Quote from: Super Speed on February 14, 2017, 10:07:38 PM

This stuff coming out doesn't bode well for team Trump

What stuff

Super Speed · « **Reply #11121 on:** February 14, 2017, 11:13:27 PM »

Quote from: george on February 14, 2017, 10:36:11 PM

What stuff

Officially these Russian phone calls date back a year or more.

ExGingi · « **Reply #11122 on:** February 14, 2017, 11:53:05 PM »

Quote from: JTZ on February 14, 2017, 03:48:47 PM

Ok what am I?
Liberal or Conservative?

Independent thinker with some MSM influence.

JTZ · « **Reply #11123 on:** February 15, 2017, 12:41:37 AM »

Quote from: Super Speed on February 14, 2017, 10:07:38 PM

This stuff coming out doesn't bode well for team Trump

What he needs to look out for is their are now numerous R's senators/congressman calling for investigations.

With these types of leaks it has to be coming from high level positions. I was against leaks during the last administration and the goalpost does not move for me. They should try and find those who leaked the info and prosecute them.

Super Speed · « **Reply #11124 on:** February 15, 2017, 12:53:22 AM »

I think because all his people aren't in place they may be coming from Obama administration appointees

JTZ · « **Reply #11125 on:** February 15, 2017, 12:56:45 AM »

Quote from: Super Speed on February 15, 2017, 12:53:22 AM

I think because all his people aren't in place they may be coming from Obama administration appointees

Possible but I am going with the intelligence agencies sending him a message to remind him to not mess with them.

Super Speed · « **Reply #11126 on:** February 15, 2017, 02:09:20 AM »

I wish there was a reset option for all sides, the press and the Trump admin alike. This can not continue like this for the next 4 years. We know Trump has said and has done some bad things in his personal life but if we want to get things done we need to let go and look at him through a fresh set of eyes.

Yammer · « **Reply #11127 on:** February 15, 2017, 02:24:43 AM »

Quote from: JTZ on February 15, 2017, 12:56:45 AM

Possible but I am going with the intelligence agencies sending him a message to remind him to not mess with them.

Wow.
Now you actually sounds like a trumpster...

aygart · « **Reply #11128 on:** February 15, 2017, 07:39:58 AM »

Quote from: JTZ on February 15, 2017, 12:56:45 AM

Possible but I am going with the intelligence agencies sending him a message to remind him to not mess with them.

Which would be the scariest aspect of all of this. Once the intelligence agencies are involving themselves in politics we are a police state. On the other hand, one name which keeps coming up here is Sally Yates. which makes it sound like Super Speed's theory.

aygart · « **Reply #11129 on:** February 15, 2017, 07:41:09 AM »

Quote from: Super Speed on February 14, 2017, 11:13:27 PM

Officially these Russian phone calls date back a year or more.

We need to investigate whether those were occurring while Flynn was an Obama appointee as Director of DIA etc. That would be REALLY serious and possibly espionage.

JTZ · « **Reply #11130 on:** February 15, 2017, 07:49:25 AM »

Quote from: Yammer on February 15, 2017, 02:24:43 AM

Wow.
Now you actually sounds like a trumpster...

Just because I am paranoid does not mean I am wrong.

ExGingi · « **Reply #11131 on:** February 15, 2017, 08:12:47 AM »

Quote from: Super Speed on February 15, 2017, 12:53:22 AM

I think because all his people aren't in place they may be coming from Obama administration appointees

Quote from: JTZ on February 15, 2017, 12:56:45 AM

Possible but I am going with the intelligence agencies sending him a message to remind him to not mess with them.

Quote from: aygart on February 15, 2017, 07:39:58 AM

Which would be the scariest aspect of all of this. Once the intelligence agencies are involving themselves in politics we are a police state. On the other hand, one name which keeps coming up here is Sally Yates. which makes it sound like Super Speed's theory.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-14/the-political-assassination-of-michael-flynn

...It's also possible that a group of national security bureaucrats and former Obama officials are selectively leaking highly sensitive law enforcement information to undermine the elected government.

Flynn was a fat target for the national security state. He has cultivated a reputation as a reformer and a fierce critic of the intelligence community leaders he once served with when he was the director the Defense Intelligence Agency under President Barack Obama. Flynn was working to reform the intelligence-industrial complex, something that threatened the bureaucratic prerogatives of his rivals.

He was also a fat target for Democrats. Remember Flynn's breakout national moment last summer was when he joined the crowd at the Republican National Convention from the dais calling for Hillary Clinton to be jailed.

In normal times, the idea that U.S. officials entrusted with our most sensitive secrets would selectively disclose them to undermine the White House would alarm those worried about creeping authoritarianism. Imagine if intercepts of a call between Obama's incoming national security adviser and Iran's foreign minister leaked to the press before the nuclear negotiations began? The howls of indignation would be deafening.

In the end, it was Trump's decision to cut Flynn loose. In doing this he caved in to his political and bureaucratic opposition. Nunes told me Monday night that this will not end well. "First it's Flynn, next it will be Kellyanne Conway, then it will be Steve Bannon, then it will be Reince Priebus," he said. Put another way, Flynn is only the appetizer. Trump is the entree.

yuneeq · « **Reply #11132 on:** February 15, 2017, 08:40:20 AM »

Quote from: JTZ on February 15, 2017, 12:56:45 AM

Possible but I am going with the intelligence agencies sending him a message to remind him to not mess with them.

That's the scariest part.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-14/the-political-assassination-of-michael-flynn

"There is another component to this story as well...It's very rare that reporters are ever told about government-monitored communications of U.S. citizens, let alone senior U.S. officials. The last story like this to hit Washington was in 2009 when Jeff Stein, then of CQ, reported on intercepted phone calls between a senior Aipac lobbyist and Jane Harman, who at the time was a Democratic member of Congress.

Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do. "