US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[EJB]

NY always goes for the Dem by more than NJ. Won't change.

Unlikely, but this is much closer than it has historically been. I think ny will at least be closer, but I doubt it'll be within 10 points honestly

[EJB]

Not only did I mean that, it is actually what I wrote.

My point is the Torah doesn't say to vote for anyone. You can ask your rabbi for advice if you want, assuming your rabbi is well versed in politics (most aren't), but don't think that in doing so you're following the Torah and more closely than someone who actually researches the candidates and issues on his or her own.

[george]

I thought she was temporally taking over.

She may be implicated in this scandal.

[ExGingi]

My point is the Torah doesn't say to vote for anyone. You can ask your rabbi for advice if you want, assuming your rabbi is well versed in politics (most aren't), but don't think that in doing so you're following the Torah and more closely than someone who actually researches the candidates and issues on his or her own.

The Torah says ועשית ככל אשר יורוך even if your own research points you in a different direction.

I suspect that different communities might vote differently based on what their Rabbonim tell them.

[EJB]

The Torah says ועשית ככל אשר יורוך even if your own research points you in a different direction.

I suspect that different communities might vote differently based on what their Rabbonim tell them.

I thought the normative approach is thats  limited to Sanhedrin, but to each his own.

Curious to hear your thoughts, though, if your rabbi tells you to vote for a candidate because they will definitely win and it's better that he sees the Jews have his back despite the fact that he is in favor of everything the Torah is not, do you still think you have a Torah obligation to vote for him?

[Moshe123]

See 1984, 1980, 1972
https://web.archive.org/web/20120825102042/http://www.mit.edu/~mi22295/elections.html#1980

So you went back to from before you were born.

[skyguy918]

So you went back to from before you were born.

More importantly, those elections were all landslides.

[ExGingi]

So you went back to from before you were born.

Reagan is recent enough to be invoked in politics. So I think it's fair to invoke the 1980 and 1984 elections to refute the statement that NY always goes D. While looking it up I found that it also happened to Nixon.

[EJB]

More importantly, those elections were all landslides.

And ny has much different demographics than it did then.

[JTZ]

She may be implicated in this scandal.

Link?

[george]

Link?

https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/757328611884036096

[Yehuda57]

Trump has expressed distinct ignorance of the Constitution, and proposed numerous policies which go against it.

On all social issues he was firmly on the left prior to the campaign.

He lies more often than he tells the truth.

Trump incites racism and bigotry, which has unearthed awful anti semitism and brought it out into the open.

He is decidedly against religious freedom, unless that religion is going to get him elected. That's a scary prospect for me, as a Jew.

HRC will appoint left-leaning judges. True. But within the framework of the Constitution of the country.

No one knows what Trump will do, and if anything, the prospects look more terrifying than "could be ok."

[Yehuda57]

BTW, I am horrified by HRC. I don't think the email scandal was overblown. And even without that she is an awful candidate.

I just feel almost any other candidates could have been better, yet the gop managed to nominate the one guy who makes her look like a safer option.

It's depressing.

[Dan]

+1.
Sad!

[elit]

Trump has expressed distinct ignorance of the Constitution, and proposed numerous policies which go against it.

completely agree on this point but I don't think hillary gives a cent about the constitution.

On all social issues he was firmly on the left prior to the campaign.

definitely not more than hillary especially in regards to Islamic extremism which is one of the few things that really matter

He lies more often than he tells the truth.

No more than Hillary for sure

Trump incites racism and bigotry, which has unearthed awful anti semitism and brought it out into the open.

this one I think is media created nonsense

He is decidedly against religious freedom, unless that religion is going to get him elected. That's a scary prospect for me, as a Jew.

what are you referring to here?

HRC will appoint left-leaning judges. True. But within the framework of the Constitution of the country.

That's Pretty much an oxymoron

All in all I'm not a fan of trump but every Time i hear hillary talk my very fiber of my being shudders. I can't pin point it exactly but I cannot stand her at all. I don't think there's a drop of authenticity left in her. ...

[Achas Veachas]

I understand he could have run as a D but why was it easier to run as R? The primaries weren't easy with 16 opponents....

Easier for him to run against 16 then it is to run against 1 or 2.

You think he would have won if the Rs would have coalesced around 1 or 2 solid ones early on?

[dikes1210]

Easier for him to run against 16 then it is to run against 1 or 2.

You think he would have won if the Rs would have coalesced around 1 or 2 solid ones early on?

I guess the less candidates the more focus there is on each one so it is tougher but at the same time you have to knock all 16 & he Eventually was running against the strongest 5..4..3..2..1 anyways.

[Achas Veachas]

I guess the less candidates the more focus there is on each one so it is tougher but at the same time you have to knock all 16 & he Eventually was running against the strongest 5..4..3..2..1 anyways.

Knocking all 16 wasn't so tough, most of them knocked themselves out without any help from the Donald.
All that time that the anti-trump vote was split between Cruz and Rubio is what gave Trump the nomination...

[Dan]

Bingo.

[JTZ]

All that time that the anti-trump vote was split between Cruz and Rubio is what gave Trump the nomination...

The voters gave him the nomination and would have beat any of them one on one.