US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[aygart]

[good sam]

Please tell me you recognize the irony in your comments. If the non-partisans cared, wouldn't they have made it known when the R's did it to Garland?

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that one way or another, we're gonna end up with Gorsuch instead of Garland. But it's disingenuous to have a discussion about the second half of the story (D's all voting against, R's going nuclear to push Gorsuch through) without the first half (R's refusing to hold hearings on Garland).

As will all claims of hypocrisy, it cuts both ways. Dems at the hearings preaching about Garland when they're now doing the exact same thing.

Reminds me of Comey announcements 1 and 2. Dems and Repubs switched sides on a dime, each pointing out the other's hypocrisy.

[aygart]

[aygart]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446415/susan-rice-unmasking-trump-campaign-members-obama-administration-fbi-cia-nsa

[Super Speed]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446415/susan-rice-unmasking-trump-campaign-members-obama-administration-fbi-cia-nsa

This lady breathes lies it's unreal. I can't recall her ever saying the truth.

[aygart]

This lady breathes lies it's unreal. I can't recall her ever saying the truth.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/05/susan-rice-saga-murky-allegations-and-media-reluctance.html

The Susan Rice situation is murky, but one thing that’s crystal clear is that she’s changing her story.
And that is raising a whole lot of questions about the tangled allegations that the Obama administration “unmasked” Donald Trump or his associates when they were picked up on foreign intercepts.
When Rice was asked about this by PBS’s Judy Woodruff a couple of weeks ago, the former national security adviser said she knew nothing about it and was just learning about it from news reports.
But in the wake of reports by Fox News and Bloomberg’s Eli Lake that Rice had done the unmasking, she broke her silence yesterday on MSNBC.
“It was not uncommon” to make these requests and “necessary” to do her job, Rice told Andrea Mitchell. She needed to know the names of the Americans picked up on the intercepts, but it’s “absolutely false” to say this was done “for political purposes.”
So she’s now gone from professed ignorance to nothing improper.
In fairness to Rice, it may turn out that what she did was perfectly legal. But there are now a whole host of troubling questions.
Did she seek the identities of Trump folks solely for intelligence reasons, or did she have political motivations?
Who did she share the information with?
Did she leak any of the findings, or cause them to be leaked? Rice denied leaking anything to do with her successor, Michael Flynn, whose false denials about contacts with the Russian ambassador led President Trump to fire him. “I leaked nothing to nobody and never have and never would,” she said.

This brings us to the role of the media.
Since the allegations were minimized yesterday by the Washington Post and New York Times (with the Times depicting them as something bouncing around conservative media), some critics on the right say they are covering for Rice. ABC and NBC didn't cover them on Monday's evening newscasts, while the "CBS Evening News" quoted a former official as saying Rice did "nothing improper or political."
I’d suggest the situation is complicated. It looks to me that many news outlets were unable to confirm the allegations, which raises the dilemma of whether you publish something based on other outlets citing unnamed sources when your own reporters can’t verify it.Of course, some of these same outlets have run with stories, also involving anonymous sources, about alleged collusion between Trump associates and Russia.
It’s fair to say they are more enthusiastic about that story.
But there’s a difference between not confirming publishing allegations and denigrating them, which is what some at CNN have been doing.
Anchor Don Lemon told viewers “we will not insult your intelligence” by suggesting the Trump team was spied on illegally, “nor will we aid and abet the people who are trying to misinform you, the American people, by creating a diversion.”
How does Lemon know it’s a diversion? Shouldn’t he want to know all the facts? It’s true that the latest story does not confirm Trump’s original charge that the previous administration targeted him for wiretapping, but that doesn’t mean other surveillance was properly handled.
CNN’s national security correspondent, Jim Sciutto, was equally condescending, saying the Bloomberg scoop on Rice was “largely ginned up, partly as a distraction from this larger investigation.”
Not only is Sciutto dismissing legitimate questions, he worked for the Obama State Department as a diplomat from 2011 to 2013. I think the better course would have been to recuse himself.
Right now the media are on two different planets: Those more interested in proving a Russia/Trump conspiracy and those more interested in proving an Obama surveillance conspiracy. Hard facts are hard to come by, but it would be nice if the same standards were applied to both parts of this bizarre story.

BTW, note Rice's double negative. “I leaked nothing to nobody and never have and never would,” she said.

[JTZ]

BTW, note Rice's double negative. “I leaked nothing to nobody and never have and never would,” she said.

...and that means?

[Emkay]

...and that means?

Illuminati.

[JTZ]

Illuminati.

So she is "enlightened"?

[aygart]

...and that means?

Either that there is nothing she leaked to nobody or there is nobody to whom she leaked nothing if taken literally.

[JTZ]

Either that there is nothing she leaked to nobody or there is nobody to whom she leaked nothing if taken literally.

...or she is liar. 

[aygart]

...or she is liar. 

or both. We know she lied either when she said she knew nothing and was learning from the news reports (was that a quote from her former boss?) or now when she said she needed to do it for security.

Either way, you can deal with keeping track of everyones lie.

[ExGingi]

Either way, you can deal with keeping track of everyones lie.

Having to pay someone to do that, might even bankrupt DJT again if he were to pay for it.

[JTZ]

Either way, you can deal with keeping track of everyones lie.

I only keep track of the big players.

[aygart]

I only keep track of the big players.

Like KAC?

[JTZ]

Like KAC?

WOW if you only new. They get no bigger/important than KAC!!!

[aygart]

[Yehuda57]

Mission Accomplished!

[aygart]

Mission Accomplished!

I see I left out the date. Whoops.

[Yehuda57]

I see I left out the date. Whoops.

Eh, I missed the word "declared" - that's like the DEA announcing "We've gotten rid of all declared cocaine in Columbia." Yip dee freaking doo.